F-105 vs Su-17

[pfo]

Who would win?

[sferrin]

F-105

[saberrider]

F 105 variant with maneuver flaps.

[outlaw162]

Ah yes, the classic knifefight in a phonebooth.

[basher54321]

Might need a big phonebooth for these 2.

[sprstdlyscottsmn]

The F-105 had more gun kills in 'Nam than all other US aircraft combined, and it was a bomber.

[outlaw162]

big phonebooth

Yeah, more like a telemarketer call center. I think a maneuvering fight between these two would probably look like the mating ritual of two sperm whales (is there such thing as a female sperm whale?....must be).

I believe most (not all) of the guys that got the 27.5 gun kills were ex-F-100 drivers who had overcome the mindset that they could turn inside a Cessna 150. These were really good drivers.

To be fair however, the SU-17/20/22s are credited with a C-130 & an A-37.

The winner(s) would be the guys on the ground that weren't being bombed while these two mixed it up.

[arian]

Who win?

Win at what? Bombing?

The F-105 is about a generation earlier than the Su-17 in timeline: late 50s design vs. late 60s design. And early Su-17s were quite crummy in their intended role of air-to-ground until the M3 and M4 versions of the late 70s early 80s made them competitive.

F-105 had much higher payload and range, and much higher practical payload and range given the use of in-flight refueling. They're not really comparable planes in concept, or otherwise, even if they were used for the same purpose. But F-105 was an amazing plane, especially given the time.

[spazsinbad]

For gummybears and anyone interested in flight manuals for the F-105 series: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com.au/

Republic F-105B Flight Manual:
https://www.filefactory.com/file/60o4g1 ... Manual.pdf (57Mb)
&
Republic F-105F Flight Manual:
https://www.filefactory.com/file/4pldph ... Manual.pdf (63Mb)

[nastle]

interesting comparison
we rarely think about it but in an actual war , a fight between 2 strike fighters or fighter-bombers is not entirely unheard of.Esp since these are the kind of aircraft most commonly deployed , in a big war esp over a small battlefield it is more than likely they can cross paths

I believe both f-105/su-17 can win depending on who is carrying an offensive load of weapons and who achieves surprise

[spazsinbad]

OPERATION SPRING HIGH [8 page PDF attached]
Nov 2018 MARK CARLSON

"THE FIRST ATTACK AGAINST NORTH VIETNAMESE SA-2 MISSILE SITES DEVOLVED INTO A DEBACLE OF DUMMY TARGETS AND DOWNED AIRCRAFT, BUT IT FORCED MILITARY LEADERS TO FIND WAYS TO COUNTER THE NEW THREAT BY MARK CARLSON

PHOTO: LOADED FOR BEAR A Republic F-105D carries a full conventional bomb load approaching 7 tons. On July 27, 1965, an F-105 strike force targeted two SA-2 missile sites with a mixed bag of napalm and cluster munitions.”

Source: Aviation History Nov 2018 Vol.29, No.2

[charlielima223]

Disgusting and sad...

Time index 42:50


Still boils my blood!