Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 22:35

http://tass.com/world/1046940

NEW DELHI, February 28. /TASS/. Eight fighter jets of the Indian Air Force took on 24 Pakistani jets in an unprecedented air combat over the India-controlled disputed Kashmir region, India’s NDTV television reported on Thursday.

According to the TVChannel, the Pakistani Air Force strike group included eight F-16s, four Mirage-3 aircraft and four Chinese-made JF-17 "Thunder" fighters. The other aircraft were escort fighters to protect the Pakistan strike formation from any retaliation.

"The large Pakistani attack formation was detected at 9.45 am, when they came within 10 km of the Line of Control," the TVChannel reported.

The Pakistani aircraft were intercepted by eight jets of the Indian Air Force, which included four Sukhoi Su-30MKIs, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG 21 planes, the TVChannel reported.

The Indian Air Force’s planes prevented the Pakistani fighters from delivering precision strikes against ground targets on the India-controlled territory of the disputed Kashmir region, the TVChannel said.

The details of the first massive air combat between the Indian and Pakistani fighters since the third Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 emerged as India waited for the release of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman from Pakistan's captivity.

The wing commander was in pursuit of a Pakistani F-16 jet, which he shot down with an R-73 air-to-air missile.

"Both pilots were seen parachuting down on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control," the TVChannel said.

At that moment, an AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) struck his aircraft, after which Varthaman was forced to eject and landed onto the Pakistani side of the Line of Control, where he was captured, the TVChannel said.
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 22:50

marsavian wrote:http://tass.com/world/1046940

NEW DELHI, February 28. /TASS/. Eight fighter jets of the Indian Air Force took on 24 Pakistani jets in an unprecedented air combat over the India-controlled disputed Kashmir region, India’s NDTV television reported on Thursday.

According to the TVChannel, the Pakistani Air Force strike group included eight F-16s, four Mirage-3 aircraft and four Chinese-made JF-17 "Thunder" fighters. The other aircraft were escort fighters to protect the Pakistan strike formation from any retaliation.

"The large Pakistani attack formation was detected at 9.45 am, when they came within 10 km of the Line of Control," the TVChannel reported.

The Pakistani aircraft were intercepted by eight jets of the Indian Air Force, which included four Sukhoi Su-30MKIs, two upgraded Mirage 2000s and two MiG 21 planes, the TVChannel reported.

The Indian Air Force’s planes prevented the Pakistani fighters from delivering precision strikes against ground targets on the India-controlled territory of the disputed Kashmir region, the TVChannel said.

The details of the first massive air combat between the Indian and Pakistani fighters since the third Indo-Pakistani War of 1971 emerged as India waited for the release of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman from Pakistan's captivity.

The wing commander was in pursuit of a Pakistani F-16 jet, which he shot down with an R-73 air-to-air missile.

"Both pilots were seen parachuting down on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control," the TVChannel said.

At that moment, an AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) struck his aircraft, after which Varthaman was forced to eject and landed onto the Pakistani side of the Line of Control, where he was captured, the TVChannel said.


HOLY SH*T!!!! Is this legit??????????
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 22:55

Yes. It's legitimately made up.
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 22:58

The Indian aircraft have the ELTA EL/L-8222 jamming pod and the Pakistani F-16s have the AN/ALQ-211 AIDEWS which would tend to make the air combat between the two WVR and/or low range BVR, ~20nm and under.
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 23:01

Patriot wrote:Yes. It's legitimately made up.


It does sound a bit extreme....
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 23:06

Is this legit?


Official Indian line but we know two things for sure, one downed Mig-21 and one used recovered AMRAAM so we know for sure an F-16 shot down a Mig-21 which the Indians admit. As for the other shootdown in reverse well the Pakistanis would not admit it if they could hide the evidence ...
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 23:13

So far a total number of 0 conclusive evidence to support Indian version of the story particularly about bringing the F-16 down. They should try a bit harder.

The fact that AMRAAM was in the air flying towards Indian border is enough for me to make me believe there were F-16s involved.
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Unread post28 Feb 2019, 23:21

firebase99 wrote:HOLY SH*T!!!! Is this legit??????????



Anything with "according to the TVChannel" in it you can probably always dismiss :D

It is though pretty much the same story they have stuck to since the shoot down so at least they are consistent.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 00:25

The Indian propaganda is a bit clumsy.

The paf shot down a mig so it was a sukhoi that shot down an f-16. Then the paf claimed 2 pilots captured, so the number of parachutes seen from the "f-16" went up from 1 to 2. Then it becomes the mig shooting down the f-16. Then all the attempts to try and provide evidence of an engine part that is not used to at least now a missile part that at least is used but may have been delivered to a wrong country.

A consistent story, no matter how unbelievable, tends to be a more believable story than one that changes all the time especially to try to suit an idea, rather than a fact. It's worse when planes have flight recorders whose footage release would be much more believable...

The Pakistanis are probably more wicked. If there is a 2nd pilot captured, then the press and iaf would either have done a disservice to the pilot by keeping quiet or would be forced into an embarrassing admission of a 2nd shoot down. If untrue, that's still going to create a stir about whether the story is true.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:10

They state that THIRTY TWO aircraft were involved? I find that...dubious.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:24

basher54321 wrote:Now seems to be a claim this was found on the Indian side of the LOC.

So could be from anywhere but there is a serial so can at least be identified if it is more BS.

AMRAAM found Indian side.jpg


Any weapons troops who can comment on the markings??
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:24

Weasel I agree.

Moreover. Does an F-16 can be shoot down by MiG-21? Affirmative. In theory a P-51 Mustang could shoot at F-22 and bring it down. Do we have any evidence that ti ever occured. No. Do we have any substancial tangible evidence indian MiG took out pakistani F-16? No, we do not. All indian "evidence" is solely rethorical thus inconclusive. Easily they could claim Pakistani F-16 was shot down by kids playing with a slingshot out in the field.

If I were Indians and I want to prove my story but have no access to a theoretical wreckage as supposingly is in this case Id rather release some more compelling evidence to make the adversary to prove me wrong. For example: Indians should release an audio comms from that engagement at least in the part that would include a Fox 2 and Splash calls, something that would outright indicate Indians in fact hit something, maybe an F-16.
Until that happen it's all a fairy tale / damage control tactics :bang:
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:46

This video has other parts of the MiG-21 wreckage - there was a better version yesterday.
https://twitter.com/Shk_Naseer/status/1 ... 8041025536


Higher res but edited - Sputnik are running this as F-16 debris :D
https://twitter.com/i/status/1101142416399192066
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:50

Patriot wrote:For example: Indians should release an audio comms from that engagement at least in the part that would include a Fox 2 and Splash calls, something that would outright indicate Indians in fact hit something, maybe an F-16.
Until that happen it's all a fairy tale / damage control tactics :bang:


Best not give Social Media too many more ideas the whole thing has been weak up to now - but quite entertaining.
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Unread post01 Mar 2019, 01:52

basher54321 wrote:Higher res but edited - Sputnik are running this as F-16 debris :D
https://twitter.com/i/status/1101142416399192066


Something's fishy here..
Oh Wait. It's FISHBED a.k.a. MiG-21 :thumb: puzzle
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