F-15X: USAF Seems Interested

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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 05:10

Corsair1963 wrote:



I don't see the F-22's lasting until 2060??? As they will be the first to retire when the PCA/NGAD come online in the early 2040's.

Only if they're retired prematurely. The airframes are good to go till 2060 without a SLEP.
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 05:14

wrightwing wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:



I don't see the F-22's lasting until 2060??? As they will be the first to retire when the PCA/NGAD come online in the early 2040's.

Only if they're retired prematurely. The airframes are good to go till 2060 without a SLEP.



Well, that would depend on how the PCA/NGAD progress and what the threat is post 2040??? :|
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 05:16

madrat wrote:F-15EX is the best purchase for export for any country that cannot get F-35. Period.



Not sure about that as the Rafale, Super Hornet, and/or Typhoon would be a good option for many. Honestly, a lot of factors to consider.......
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 05:54

Corsair1963 wrote:
wrightwing wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:



I don't see the F-22's lasting until 2060??? As they will be the first to retire when the PCA/NGAD come online in the early 2040's.

Only if they're retired prematurely. The airframes are good to go till 2060 without a SLEP.



Well, that would depend on how the PCA/NGAD progress and what the threat is post 2040??? :|

PCA/NGAD will just start entering service in the 2040s. F-15/16/18s will all be retired before they start retiring F-22s.
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 06:47

PCA discussion belongs in the PCA thread, not here.
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 08:17

wrightwing wrote:
PCA/NGAD will just start entering service in the 2040s. F-15/16/18s will all be retired before they start retiring F-22s.


Yes, the F-35's would replace all of the current 4th Generation Fighter between now and 2040. Then the PCA/NGAD will start to come online and replace the F-22's. Which, would be followed by early production F-35's.
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 08:19

madrat wrote:PCA discussion belongs in the PCA thread, not here.



We are talking about the F-15EX and the future USAF. Clearly, the PCA/NGAD has a place in this discussion.......... :roll:
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 12:49

Corsair1963 wrote:
madrat wrote:PCA discussion belongs in the PCA thread, not here.



We are talking about the F-15EX and the future USAF. Clearly, the PCA/NGAD has a place in this discussion.......... :roll:


This stuff is ad nauseam across the forum. We don't need it repeated everywhere. The PCA has its own thread. The NGAD has its own thread.
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Unread post25 Feb 2020, 15:42

Corsair1963 wrote:
madrat wrote:PCA discussion belongs in the PCA thread, not here.



We are talking about the F-15EX and the future USAF. Clearly, the PCA/NGAD has a place in this discussion.......... :roll:


How about no.
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Unread post26 Feb 2020, 01:38

sferrin wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:
madrat wrote:PCA discussion belongs in the PCA thread, not here.



We are talking about the F-15EX and the future USAF. Clearly, the PCA/NGAD has a place in this discussion.......... :roll:


How about no.


If, every debate is so narrowly focused. We won't have many......... :shock:
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Unread post26 Feb 2020, 02:11

I'm not going to pretend the forum is in a statis simply because the best threads evolve slower than some people like. I'd prefer we stay off long tangents in single issue threads, and keep the narrow scope in each its own threads. This isn't one or two small deviations from the main F-15EX topic, but a careless topic swap that doesn't belong here.
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Unread post26 Feb 2020, 02:25

madrat wrote:I'm not going to pretend the forum is in a statis simply because the best threads evolve slower than some people like. I'd prefer we stay off long tangents in single issue threads, and keep the narrow scope in each its own threads. This isn't one or two small deviations from the main F-15EX topic, but a careless topic swap that doesn't belong here.



Whatever............ :doh:
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Unread post27 Feb 2020, 17:42

Unfortunately, this is something F-35 can't do
Boeing is showing at #AWS20 an F-15EX with a new centerline store called a Multi-Purpose Booster, a 7,300lb., 30-in diameter and 270-in long weapon
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Unread post27 Feb 2020, 19:34

What on earth are we going to do with 144 (or however many) F-15EX's?

The stated goal is to replace the F-15C. But by all accounts, it'll be obsolete in 5 years. Hell, it's obsolete today if you plan to fly it in any kind of contested airspace. Boeing will tell you it has everything, then conveniently forget one of those things is a massive RCS. So unless it's flying homeland defense from bases in the United States, I don't see any future for it. And how many aircraft do you need for that? Certainly not 144. We have had (and still have) pitiful numbers of fighters standing "on alert" to defend the continental US. It's a token capability filled by a very few aging fighters.

I mean, think about it: We're going to wind up with the most expensive homeland defense fighter in the world. As a result, fewer F-35's will be available to fly into battle for any given conflict.

We might be able to salvage things if they're being built to replace aging mudhen's, but if that's the case we should call it what it is. Even then, their ability to fight and win in a double digit SAM environment is suspect. Corporate Welfare for Boeing is the only explanation...
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Unread post28 Feb 2020, 00:36

I hate these crazy idea's about this or that plane is the best and only the best.

We don't need F-15's, but America needs the Jobs to keep Trump in the saddle.

For the conflicts at hand even museum pieces like P-47, P-51 and Spitfires will do.
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