SU-57: On hold for a decade

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Unread post21 Aug 2018, 18:43

knowan wrote:
Weight of evidence suggests the UAC CEO is bullshitting.

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October summit between Modi and Putin will tell all.

It was well known that Indian financing would be near essential to the budget of the PAK FA program when it began, and with the worsening of the Russian financial situation since the beginning of the program combined with the loss of the Indian funding, it is fair to conclude the 'pause' in production will very likely be permanent.



Watch the news lately ? Russia is running a budget surplus, GDP growth will crack 2+ this year.
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Unread post22 Aug 2018, 13:12

project458 wrote:Watch the news lately ? Russia is running a budget surplus, GDP growth will crack 2+ this year.


I recommend pessimism with this topic too; current estimates are below 2%, in the 1.5-1.6% region.

The trend isn't looking good:
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Such low levels of GDP growth are expected to continue to at least 2020, and may even worse due to Russia's aging and shrinking workforce.

More relevant to my point, the Russian defense budget has been undergoing cuts from 2016 onwards. While the cuts aren't as large as reported by many news outlets, they are still significant for a military still undergoing modernisation.

With the new and very expensive strategic weapon programs on top of those shrinking budgets, it is becoming increasingly difficult to fund the Su-57; with India withdrawing funding, the odds of the program being completed are very low.

With the Armata program being cancelled too, it appears Russia has concluded that attempting to match Western militaries in conventional arms is too expensive, and has instead settled on making sure their nuclear deterrent cannot be easily countered by Western developments.
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Unread post22 Aug 2018, 16:02

And Lazarus tripped and came 5th! :P


Source: TASS

Russian senator lauds Su-57 fighter’s ‘success’ in real combat in Syria

Viktor Bondarev recalled that Su-57 pilot prototypes were sent to Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Syria six months ago

MOSCOW, August 19, 2018. TASS

Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet has proved its worth during combat mission in Syria, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Sunday.

"The Su-57 has successfully accomplished the first stage of state trials and proved all of its designated flight characteristics. It proved its worth not only on testing grounds but also in real combat operations," Viktor Bondarev, chairman of the defense and security committee of Russia’s Federation Council upper parliament house, told journalists.

He recalled that Su-57 pilot prototypes were sent to Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Syria six months ago.

The Su-57 "has a huge potential for modernization that will be enough for fifty years," he said, adding that the plane’s onboard radionics is built on the principles of open architecture.

"As a matter of fact, this fighter jet has everything necessary to be later developed into a fully automatic unmanned warplane," Bondarev said.

President of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar said earlier in the day UAC and Russia’s defense ministry plan to sign a contract for the first batch of Su-57 fighter jets by the end of this summer, at the 2018 Army forum.

The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet features stealth technology with the broad use of composite materials, is capable of maintaining supersonic cruising speed and is furnished with the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment, including a powerful onboard computer (the so-called electronic second pilot), the radar system spread across its body and some other innovations, in particular, armament placed inside its fuselage. The plane’s onboard control system is capable of following up to 60 targets and opening fire at 16 of them concurrently. These planes are expected to arrive for the troops in 2019. The pilot batch will comprise 12 Su-57 planes.

http://tass.com/politics/1017795


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Unread post22 Aug 2018, 18:04

element1loop wrote:And Lazarus tripped and came 5th! :P


Source: TASS

Russian senator lauds Su-57 fighter’s ‘success’ in real combat in Syria

Viktor Bondarev recalled that Su-57 pilot prototypes were sent to Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Syria six months ago

MOSCOW, August 19, 2018. TASS

Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet has proved its worth during combat mission in Syria, a senior Russian lawmaker said on Sunday.

"The Su-57 has successfully accomplished the first stage of state trials and proved all of its designated flight characteristics. It proved its worth not only on testing grounds but also in real combat operations," Viktor Bondarev, chairman of the defense and security committee of Russia’s Federation Council upper parliament house, told journalists.

He recalled that Su-57 pilot prototypes were sent to Russia’s Hmeymim airbase in Syria six months ago.

The Su-57 "has a huge potential for modernization that will be enough for fifty years," he said, adding that the plane’s onboard radionics is built on the principles of open architecture.

"As a matter of fact, this fighter jet has everything necessary to be later developed into a fully automatic unmanned warplane," Bondarev said.

President of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar said earlier in the day UAC and Russia’s defense ministry plan to sign a contract for the first batch of Su-57 fighter jets by the end of this summer, at the 2018 Army forum.

The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet features stealth technology with the broad use of composite materials, is capable of maintaining supersonic cruising speed and is furnished with the most advanced onboard radio-electronic equipment, including a powerful onboard computer (the so-called electronic second pilot), the radar system spread across its body and some other innovations, in particular, armament placed inside its fuselage. The plane’s onboard control system is capable of following up to 60 targets and opening fire at 16 of them concurrently. These planes are expected to arrive for the troops in 2019. The pilot batch will comprise 12 Su-57 planes.

http://tass.com/politics/1017795


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I guess your opinion or B.S media sources trumps the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force? Right ?
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Unread post22 Aug 2018, 19:28

knowan wrote:With the new and very expensive strategic weapon programs on top of those shrinking budgets, it is becoming increasingly difficult to fund the Su-57; with India withdrawing funding, the odds of the program being completed are very low.


PAK-FA airframe is more less done. So now they are developing engines, sensors and weapons. All this they can later export to Flanker users as upgrade. So economically wise PAK-FA program isn't waste.

Also Russian economy after 2020 isn't easy to project. They are building couple of pipeline, invest heavily in agriculture.
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Unread post23 Aug 2018, 00:33

Flanker user? The Indians, maybe? :D
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Unread post23 Aug 2018, 01:31

project458 wrote:

October summit between Modi and Putin will tell all.



Yeah, when Modi tells Putin he has decided to go with the F-35 over the Su-57..... :wink:

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Unread post23 Aug 2018, 04:21

project458 wrote:
TASS wrote: ... Russia’s fifth-generation Su-57 fighter jet has proved its worth during combat mission in Syria ...


I guess your opinion or B.S media sources trumps the words of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force? Right ?


Well the T50 was a game-changer in Syria, it rocked, and I really can't deny the undeniable, it was the best propaganda-machine and the most immature unarmed 6th-gen prototype that visited there ... for 48 hours ... of rt photo-ops.

Based on that, I'd buy it! :P :mrgreen:

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Unread post23 Aug 2018, 19:39

popcorn wrote:Flanker user? The Indians, maybe? :D


Indians already confirm they want Su-57 tech (engine and radar) for Super 30 program. They had offer for 117 engines and Fazotron AESA they decline.

Also don't forget Chinese they got Su-35 to be able to buy 117 in bigger numbers so type-30 is surely something they will like to get especially for J-20.
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Unread post23 Aug 2018, 20:51

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/08 ... oject.html

First official admission that India has left the FGFA program. By the head of the Russian Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation, no less.

Responding to a question from Livefist, Dmitri Shugaev, director of Russia’s FSMTC — which controls Moscow’s arms exports — said, “Yes it’s true India has temporarily stopped participation in the FGFA project. Russia has advanced far in the Su-57 tests and it has orders from the Russian MoD.”


Shugaev minced no words when he said he understood the ‘comprehensive issue from a financial standpoint’ but said he was hopeful still of a resolution.

“We have not shut any doors, and understand it is a comprehensive issue from a financial standpoint. If and when India is ready to return to this project, we are willing to negotiate terms and format. This project could see different forms of cooperation in the future — a JV or technological cooperation. The FGFA was a joint project for a joint product,” he told Livefist.
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 03:12

^^^^^
B.S

In other news VKS just ordered two more Su-57, which brings the total number under contract to 15, with more expect in the near future.

http://www.interfax.ru/interview/626416
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5480249
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 04:32

Frankly, I wouldnt be surprised if any of the 10 SU-57's that can actually....I've lost the word Im looking for, FLY, thats it, fly never flew again. Its a failed museum piece at best.
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 06:13

project458 wrote:In other news VKS just ordered two more Su-57, which brings the total number under contract to 15, with more expect in the near future


Oh wow...15! :roll:

Wake me up when there are 100 SU 57s......
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 06:38

project458 wrote:In other news VKS just ordered two more Su-57, which brings the total number under contract to 15, with more expect in the near future.


On the other end, a more successful and technologically advanced aircraft is at a production rate of 7 aircraft per month and has additional international facilities in Italy and Japan... also just this year back in June, the 300th aircraft was delivered to Hill AFB.
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Unread post25 Aug 2018, 14:13

milosh wrote:
popcorn wrote:Flanker user? The Indians, maybe? :D


Indians already confirm they want Su-57 tech (engine and radar) for Super 30 program. They had offer for 117 engines and Fazotron AESA they decline.

Also don't forget Chinese they got Su-35 to be able to buy 117 in bigger numbers so type-30 is surely something they will like to get especially for J-20.


China is not a lab mouse. You will notice that they did not order Su-35 until it entered service with RuAF. Good reason for that. China will not order anything from Russia under the assumption that it will be ready in 3 or 5 years because the Russians never develop anything on time. They'd only order Type 30 if it achieves some level of initial reliability and WS-15 isn't close to reaching that target yet. Based on WS-15 progress, I think that's fairly unlikely.

There is no point ordering an engine if it stalls in the air for every 100 hours of flight time.
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