Russia-Ukraine War 2022

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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 12:42

The girl with a guinea pig from Makiivka. During the evacuation, she never said a word until safety. Trudging through rain and mud, and hiding from shelling. That was hard to watch. "We have made it. Everything will be fine."
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European Parliament declares Russia to be a state sponsor of terrorism

Russia is committing war crimes and uses “means of terrorism” 
MEPs call for the further international isolation of Russia 
Close and ban Russian state-affiliated institutions in the EU spreading propaganda
The ninth EU sanctions package against Moscow must be completed 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/ ... -terrorism

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Large scale missile attack today. Kyiv, Lviv, Odesa, Vynnitsa was targeted. A residential building in Kyiv was hit. Image of a big mushroom cloud rising. Reportedly a tall building was hit.

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About 70 missiles fired. Killed at least 3 people, including a 17-year-old girl. 11 people wounded.

Edit: Vyshhorod, north to Kyiv. 4 killed. 20 wounded.
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Vyshhorod

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This site is close to a hydroelectric facility. Likely the RUS super missiles missed the intended target again.

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Spy on the boneyard of RUS armor in Belgorod.
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Biryuch Belgorod


Similar report was in April. A much smaller site.
https://www.uasvision.com/2022/04/27/uk ... de-russia/

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Zelenskyy:
Today, the European Parliament recognized Russia as a terrorist state, and then Russia proved to the whole world that this is all true by using 67 missiles on our infrastructure, on our energy,

The murder of civilians and the destruction of civilian infrastructure are acts of terror. Ukraine will continue to demand a decisive response from the world to these crimes,
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 02:25

zhangmdev wrote:
The UK is sending three Westland Sea King anti-submarine warfare helicopters to Ukraine.

The first airframe is already in the country, two more will follow shortly.


Interesting. But why? I am sure there are still Mi-8/17 available.


I guess that in order to try to figure that out one must ask the following question:
- Will those Westland Sea King helicopter be delivered with their ASW (anti-submarine warfare) equipment or are they being delivered with the ASW equipment removed?
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 03:24

zhangmdev wrote:
Seemingly more than 25 years were wasted. Worse than useless.

The US alone spent close to USD 800 billion on defense per year, but still someone is 'scared'. :doh: What is the logic behind this?

The biggest problem the West facing now is from the within. Experts, talking heads, opinion makers, 'whiz kids', academia, the business elite, and highly-paid bureaucrats in all those alphabet agencies were always wrong. The more educated and higher ranked, the more incompetent and corrupt them become. They led the West, and the world, into one failure after another, and suffered very little consequences. Mark my words: if the West lose this war, there will be serious consequences, plenty of them coming.



Is he wrong, though? The alternatives are neo-monarchs, neo-soviets, neo-nazis, neo-paganists, neo-anarchists... trying to fit in "neo-liberals" but there's nothing old about that over there, save for the Russian Republic that existed for 2 months before getting stabbed in the back. Evil as he is, Putin IS Russia's moderate choice, and that's horrifying.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 05:26

soupadoopalightningtroopa wrote:Is he wrong, though? ... Evil as he is, Putin IS Russia's moderate choice, and that's horrifying.


He is wrong on three levels.

First, he is from the 'we should not put too much pressure on RUS, lest they should collapse and Putin be replaced by someone worse' camp. He is afraid of the perceived consequences of achieving the objective of this conflict, which is stopping the RUS aggression. So, why bother? Why not just surrender and save us a lot of trouble? Fatalistic and defeated before a fight. This is why the West seldom wins any military conflict.

Second, he is fretting about something the West has no control. If RUS wins, Putin lives out his years in triumph and finds an heir to continue his imperial project. If RUS loses, either Putin purges his internal opponents and survives for a few years, or he does not. On the process and the outcome, the West holds no sway. Again, why bother?

Third, he is painting Putin as the 'moderate' guy we can make a deal with. Conveniently skipping the fact this war and its ramifications are entirely Putin's own making. His ideology, revanchist ambition, delusional propaganda etc. led to this predicament. He hollowed out the regular armed forces by incompetence and corrpution. He created the warlords of Prigozhin and Kadyrove. He let the nutty nationalists control the airwaves. He sowed the seeds of chaos and disintegration of RUS society. He was a KGB bureaucrat, so anything 'good' about him is most likely some deception.

Overall, this guy is, like Putin, a remnant of the Cold War, and a continuation of the Peace Movement. Through naivety or malice, he is ignoring the fact: only thing that prevented Russians from streamrolling Europe was the nuclear deterrence. The people in the West 'never had it so good', living in unprecedented security and prosperity, because of NATO.

ricnunes wrote:- Will those Westland Sea King helicopter be delivered with their ASW (anti-submarine warfare) equipment or are they being delivered with the ASW equipment removed?


Helicopters flying over the Black Sea will fall prey to VKS. Unlikely those are for ASW operations.

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Concert during blackout.
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blackout


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A 'bloody' hammer inside a violin case. Wagner's present to European parliament.
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Once a communist symbol of the working class. Now it is about pure violence and intimidation. The only proper response to this is to kill them on the battlefield, all of them.

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Heavy snow in Lviv. After yesterday's attack, the power was not restored until 5:00 AM.
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Lviv
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 07:54

zhangmdev wrote:
ricnunes wrote:- Will those Westland Sea King helicopter be delivered with their ASW (anti-submarine warfare) equipment or are they being delivered with the ASW equipment removed?


Helicopters flying over the Black Sea will fall prey to VKS. Unlikely those are for ASW operations.


As there are several different versions of the Westland Sea King, it'd be interesting to know what version they are receiving and with what equipment. I think the most likely version is actually SAR versions as these were retired last (in 2016 IIRC). These could be used for many missions, including just transport etc. ASW versions were retired 20 years ago and transport versions over 10 years ago. I think ASW version is the least likely due to this. Another very interesting possibility could be AEW variant as last of these were retired only about 5 years ago from British service. These were Sea King Air Surveillance and Control (ASaC.7) versions. This is pretty capable radar system with quite long range, GMTI and AFAIK very good performance against small targets at low altitude...
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 08:34

Visiting the destroyed RUS base in Snihurivka.
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:48393442 ... _videoshow
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Snihurivka


Improvised bridge and destroyed RUS base in Kherson region.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 09:04

Would the Israeli Iron Dome system be sufficient to protect Ukrainian cities? I would think a combination of CRAM and Iron Dome could swat down just about anything Russian military would terrorize Ukrainian civilians with.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 09:23

charlielima223 wrote:Would the Israeli Iron Dome system be sufficient to protect Ukrainian cities? ...


Does that matter? Israel will not give Iron Dome or anything lethal. Iron Dome did not stop the rocket attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah. It only reduced the damage.

Even AD can intercept 90% of the incoming missiles. After 4,000 missiles, damages are inevitable.

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Destroyed SPG and truck in Kherson region.
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2S1 Gvozdika


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Your thoughtless pumping of Ukraine with weapons is already leading to the fact that civilians are dying from it not only in Donbas, but also in Ukrainian cities,


Twisted RUS logic as usual.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 12:01

soupadoopalightningtroopa wrote:Is he wrong, though? The alternatives are neo-monarchs, neo-soviets, neo-nazis, neo-paganists, neo-anarchists... trying to fit in "neo-liberals" but there's nothing old about that over there, save for the Russian Republic that existed for 2 months before getting stabbed in the back. Evil as he is, Putin IS Russia's moderate choice, and that's horrifying.


Sick of this nonsense.

1. Who exactly is this super villian that is worse than Putin?
2. Putin is afraid of his underlings and would have purged anyone worse than himself
3. No one is worse than Putin - starting wars for no reason - Check, threatening to use nukes - Check, bombing medical centers and schools, having critics killed on foreign soil - Check, private lawless militia - Check ...
4. Personal ambition is more important to Putin than the lives of tens of thousands of his own countrymen
5. Who ever follows Putin inherits over 2,000 less tanks, the cream of the armed forces gone, 2 new NATO countries and the rest of NATO increasing its defense spending
6. The will of the Russian people to endure endless deaths of their troops is already starting to wear thin

The next leader of Russia will have the benefit of seeing just how badly Putin messed up and learn from that.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 12:05

zhangmdev wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:Would the Israeli Iron Dome system be sufficient to protect Ukrainian cities? ...


Does that matter? Israel will not give Iron Dome or anything lethal. Iron Dome did not stop the rocket attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah. It only reduced the damage.

Even AD can intercept 90% of the incoming missiles. After 4,000 missiles, damages are inevitable.



Israel will not send arms to Ukraine but the Israeli government has stated they will send early warning systems along with humanitarian supplies. Israel stated they will not send any kind of offensive arms to Ukraine. Iron Dome IS NOT an offensive weapon and is purely defensive against rockets and mortars.

If there is a system out there with a 100% intercept rate of course I would want that. Yet the reality is that 90% successful intercept rate is vastly better than 0 or 50%. Yes damages are inevitable but the reality is that if you cant completely negate damage then reducing it as much as you can is the next best thing.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 16:44

More shellings reported on the right bank of Dnipro river in Kherson region. Unless RUS was pushed out of artillery range, this place will not have peace. Sigh.

First T-62 in UKR marking.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 16:47

hornetfinn wrote:
zhangmdev wrote:
ricnunes wrote:- Will those Westland Sea King helicopter be delivered with their ASW (anti-submarine warfare) equipment or are they being delivered with the ASW equipment removed?


Helicopters flying over the Black Sea will fall prey to VKS. Unlikely those are for ASW operations.


As there are several different versions of the Westland Sea King, it'd be interesting to know what version they are receiving and with what equipment. I think the most likely version is actually SAR versions as these were retired last (in 2016 IIRC). These could be used for many missions, including just transport etc. ASW versions were retired 20 years ago and transport versions over 10 years ago. I think ASW version is the least likely due to this. Another very interesting possibility could be AEW variant as last of these were retired only about 5 years ago from British service. These were Sea King Air Surveillance and Control (ASaC.7) versions. This is pretty capable radar system with quite long range, GMTI and AFAIK very good performance against small targets at low altitude...


I also suspect that those Sea Kings won't have ASW equipment. Like you (hornetfinn) said, British ASW Sea King helicopters were replaced a couple of decades ago (and replaced by Merlin helicopters since then) and that's why I was "puzzled" to read that British "ASW helicopters" were given to Ukraine. :?
Actually (and this is a more of a reply to zhangmdev), I could see some use for actual ASW helicopters in Ukraine in the form of protecting the shipping routes coming to and from Ukraine (for example to export cereals) from potential Russian submarines close to the Ukrainian shores.
Yes, Russian aviation could be a danger but if these helicopters operate close to the Ukrainian controlled shores they would be protected by friendly SAMs. On the other hand, I doubt that the Russians will risk any of their submarines close to the Ukrainian shores but since we're talking about Russians then anything is possible I guess...
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 16:51

zhangmdev wrote:
soupadoopalightningtroopa wrote:Is he wrong, though? ... Evil as he is, Putin IS Russia's moderate choice, and that's horrifying.


He is wrong on three levels.

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not_kent wrote:
soupadoopalightningtroopa wrote:Is he wrong, though? The alternatives are neo-monarchs, neo-soviets, neo-nazis, neo-paganists, neo-anarchists... trying to fit in "neo-liberals" but there's nothing old about that over there, save for the Russian Republic that existed for 2 months before getting stabbed in the back. Evil as he is, Putin IS Russia's moderate choice, and that's horrifying.


Sick of this nonsense.

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I fully agree, zhangmdev and not_kent!
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post24 Nov 2022, 17:15

In this war, unknowns far outweight what is known. The fuss about Sea King is it is not easy, even dangerous, for Soviet helicopter pilots to migrate onto Western helicopters. What is the purpose for such a trouble? To support special ops, like those riverine boats? Airborne early warning radar? Some crazy jerry-rigged missile platform? One can only speculate at this point.
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Unread post25 Nov 2022, 07:26

Heavy shelling in Kherson killed 4, wounded 10.
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Kherson


Kyiv locals using some colorful language about Putin after the power was restored.
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Kyiv


Oslo gave ONE M109 SPG and other supplies.
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M109 155mm


Excalibur strike on Msta-B
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Msta-B
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