
Below posts have been split off from the topic SU-57: On hold for a decade
A decent airforce is still needed for their operations in Syria and monitoring their airspace since they and NATO enjoy crossing each other's path but not really their priority if we look at their SAM inventory with missiles.
Shooting air planes is one of the examples of what it can do. shooting air ground missiles launched from aircrafts is also a function they can do. I am talking about missile projects like iskander, zircon, kinzhals etc being used
I really dont think comparing serbia to russia is a good idea there. Did serbia even have any ballistic missiles, satellites to give them locations on where F-117s can land than go launch those missiles directly at them? I am also sure well atleast a modern air defense comes with some claims of EW immunity while having jammers of their own.
but suffice it to say the US understands how to cripple a lot of the critical reconnaissance and communication efforts that leave enemies blind and dumb cut off and surrounded. And this before me even explaining why Stealth aircraft exist regarding the threat of SAMs.
ground radars, hearing about satellites starting to gain the ability to track low altitude targets according to the Russian side, stealth aircrafts are still being monitored when they land, refuel than slowly take off again leaving them vulnerable to attack. stations that re-supply them can get immediately destroyed by missiles. The countries that we have fought absolutely have none of these things
@popcorn
Well, as long as you're sure...
repellent-1, some microwave gun with a 10km range to be used on a buk air defense, KRET has all kinds of neat stuff for this.
xanderscrew wrote:moreover you need aircraft to take the offensive, to control the air to control the battle space, to deploy and project power overseas. There just any real substitute for a fighter/bomber just yet. Which is one of the reasons the Russians are bothering with airplanes still despite their SAMs and Iskander.
A decent airforce is still needed for their operations in Syria and monitoring their airspace since they and NATO enjoy crossing each other's path but not really their priority if we look at their SAM inventory with missiles.
The bottom line is that airplanes will pick and choose the when and where, theyre faster than Mobile SAMs, they deploy and rain down hellfire, and SAMS are primarily a DEFENSIVE weapon. They don't take the initiative, they don't destroy bridges and tanks and and ammo depots (filled with SAMs) they don't perform recon, they can't be everywhere, they don't support troops directly on the ground, they shoot down airplanes (And are seriously deadly, don't get me wrong-- which is why smart air forces don't underestimate them) but they are one trick ponies, and ground forces relying on them to win the day have been proven horrifyingly wrong the last few decades.
Shooting air planes is one of the examples of what it can do. shooting air ground missiles launched from aircrafts is also a function they can do. I am talking about missile projects like iskander, zircon, kinzhals etc being used
Yes SAMs kill airplanes, no one gets away clean. People are still cheering about the F-117 they downed, and leaving the part where they got annihilated out, but I guess you have to pull one good thing out of something that unbelievably lopsided. Once the air defenses are handled,suppressed, starved, jammed etc.. and with no air force, the ground and sea forces are at the mercy of the airplane, which again doesn't recognize things like mountains or rivers and is able to repositionat the speed of sound and adapt to a fluid battlefield, and reattack within hours. We've seen how that plays out for the ground forces time and time again. (especially tanks, oh lord have mercy on those crispy critter crews)
I really dont think comparing serbia to russia is a good idea there. Did serbia even have any ballistic missiles, satellites to give them locations on where F-117s can land than go launch those missiles directly at them? I am also sure well atleast a modern air defense comes with some claims of EW immunity while having jammers of their own.
but suffice it to say the US understands how to cripple a lot of the critical reconnaissance and communication efforts that leave enemies blind and dumb cut off and surrounded. And this before me even explaining why Stealth aircraft exist regarding the threat of SAMs.
ground radars, hearing about satellites starting to gain the ability to track low altitude targets according to the Russian side, stealth aircrafts are still being monitored when they land, refuel than slowly take off again leaving them vulnerable to attack. stations that re-supply them can get immediately destroyed by missiles. The countries that we have fought absolutely have none of these things
@popcorn
Well, as long as you're sure...
repellent-1, some microwave gun with a 10km range to be used on a buk air defense, KRET has all kinds of neat stuff for this.