Russia-Ukraine War 2022

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Unread post21 Nov 2022, 07:11

Two destroyed S-300 launchers in Kherson region.
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S-300


And radar system.
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S-300 radar


ATB supermarket reopened in Kherson.
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Kherson


The 5N63S radar system reportedly destroyed by Lancet last week was located in Kherson region. (47.02903,33.2402) Under RUS control until the withdrawal. Didn't move since September 2. So it was likely a RUS decoy.
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Unread post21 Nov 2022, 08:45

A bunch of very old T-64.
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T-64


Fresh attack on the supply line. Hope to see this guy more often.
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fuel train


More photos in the Kherson airport

https://war-ukraine.org/kherson/2022/11 ... hicle.html

People queuing for water

https://war-ukraine.org/kherson/2022/11 ... water.html

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The blue-and-yellow flag was taken down by a Khersian local when RUS came. Buried underground and survived the long occupation, it was given to the Ukrainian armed forces during the liberation. A symbol of sacrifice, suffering, and resistance. A reminder of the cost of a nation's struggle for survival. It was given to Austin during the Halifax forum.
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Those who sit in air-conditioned rooms and talk about appeasing to Putin et al. in exchange for cheap oil and gas should understand what a RUS victory means.
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Unread post21 Nov 2022, 13:33

zhangmdev wrote:Those who sit in air-conditioned rooms and talk about appeasing to Putin et al. in exchange for cheap oil and gas should understand what a RUS victory means.


So true!


A small part of Poland is covered by Patriot SAMs;

March 2022, The two missile defense systems that the US delivered to Poland this week are part of a weapons system upon which the US military has heavily relied for nearly 40 years.

The deployment, announced Thursday by Vice President Kamala Harris, is intended to deter Russia and boost Poland’s security amid western concerns that the Ukraine conflict could spill into NATO-aligned nations.

The Patriot air defense missile system – Patriot stands for “Phased Array Tracking Radar to Intercept of Target” – is designed to counter and destroy incoming short-range ballistic missiles, advanced aircraft and cruise missiles.

There is also the Aegis Ashore site that was suppose to be active in 2022. There is already one active in Deveslu, Romania, since 2016.

The US Missile Defense Agency (MDA) is planning for a 5 June ‘light-off' to turn on and test its long-delayed Aegis Ashore missile interceptor system in Poland, according to MDA Director Vice Admiral Jon Hill. Latest is that it will be operational in 2023.
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Unread post21 Nov 2022, 19:21

I disagree. It is unnecessary, unscientific, and criminal to bomb a peaceful city. Kharkov and Kiev shouldn't be bombed. Never was a military victory achieved by bombing civilians. We shouldn't harm civilians. Wiping a city off the map shouldn't be even talked about on this land.

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Russian TV show

Wow. This crazy Russian TV show actually invited someone speaks truth, after nine months of barrage.

Of course, Solovyov ridiculed his idea as childish.
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RUS shelling Kherson. One killed. Three wounded.
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Unread post21 Nov 2022, 20:20

zhangmdev wrote:
I disagree. It is unnecessary, unscientific, and criminal to bomb a peaceful city. Kharkov and Kiev shouldn't be bombed. Never was a military victory achieved by bombing civilians. We shouldn't harm civilians. Wiping a city off the map shouldn't be even talked about on this land.



Something tells me that (unfortunately) this guy will fall off from a balcony very soon...
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post22 Nov 2022, 08:54

230mm TRLG-230 laser-guided rocket launchers. Range 70km. Delivered in summer. Never heard of this before.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/11/t ... -arms.html

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Improvised anti-personnel suicide drone. More powerful than Switchblade 300.
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suicide drone


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Reportedly, UK is sending laser-guided Brimstone 2.

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M1224 MaxxPro MRAP destroyed by an AT mine. It did its job and no fatalities.
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MaxxPro


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Interesting video. Recon team using Stinger. Captured RUS warning about incoming aviation. BMP abandoned at a river crossing. Jubilation of simply being alive.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/20 ... sr-vpx.cnn
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Stinger


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Result of shelling. Kherson region.
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Unread post22 Nov 2022, 19:01

Veteran Moscow correspondent Owen Matthews said the Russian president would not be able to politically survive a "military catastrophe on the ground" - such as if the Kremlin was forced to give back land taken by its forces as far back as 2014. 

But he warned the alternative to Mr Putin is "scarier" than the current leader. 

"What you don't want, what is even more current dangerous than the current situation, even more dangerous than Putin, is a revolutionary situation inside Russia where Putin falls," he told Sky News.

He said the opposition to Mr Putin includes "nationalists who are actually much more aggressive than Putin himself". 

Mr Matthews, who lived and worked in Moscow for more than 25 years, said he could not understand why the Russian leader had started the war. 

He said Mr Putin "was already winning with his sabre-rattling diplomacy" and had been "getting quite far" with this.


Seemingly more than 25 years were wasted. Worse than useless.

The US alone spent close to USD 800 billion on defense per year, but still someone is 'scared'. :doh: What is the logic behind this?

The biggest problem the West facing now is from the within. Experts, talking heads, opinion makers, 'whiz kids', academia, the business elite, and highly-paid bureaucrats in all those alphabet agencies were always wrong. The more educated and higher ranked, the more incompetent and corrupt them become. They led the West, and the world, into one failure after another, and suffered very little consequences. Mark my words: if the West lose this war, there will be serious consequences, plenty of them coming.

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Two drones have been shot down in the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the region's governor has said.

"There is an attack by drones. According to preliminary information, two UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) have already been shot down. All forces and services are on alert."
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Unread post22 Nov 2022, 22:51

Turkish TRLG-230 MLRS used for first time in Ukraine. And the Kinburn peninsula is back on Ukraine control.
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 01:56

ricnunes wrote:
zhangmdev wrote:
I disagree. It is unnecessary, unscientific, and criminal to bomb a peaceful city. Kharkov and Kiev shouldn't be bombed. Never was a military victory achieved by bombing civilians. We shouldn't harm civilians. Wiping a city off the map shouldn't be even talked about on this land.



Something tells me that (unfortunately) this guy will fall off from a balcony very soon...

Clear candidate for defenestration. (Putin like to repeat history - not much has happened for the 400 years since The 30 Years' War).
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 06:35

pron wrote: And the Kinburn peninsula is back on Ukraine control.


No evidence indicates this. More likely it is under 'fire control'.

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Evacuating civilians from Kherson by train.

Describing the scenes, one resident, Tetyana Stadnik, said: "It was scary. We waited. We waited for our boys until the end. We waited for our liberation.

"We are leaving now because it's scary to sleep at night. Shells are flying over our heads and exploding. It's too much. We will wait it out until the situation gets better."

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Kherson


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Closer view of the same S-300 launchers and radar posted above. A lot of holes. Don't know what happened.
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Helicopters flew over north of Kyiv on day one. One was shot down. One almost hit the water.
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Kyiv reservior
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 07:49

zhangmdev wrote:
Mr Matthews, who lived and worked in Moscow for more than 25 years, said he could not understand why the Russian leader had started the war. 

He said Mr Putin "was already winning with his sabre-rattling diplomacy" and had been "getting quite far" with this.


Seemingly more than 25 years were wasted. Worse than useless.

The US alone spent close to USD 800 billion on defense per year, but still someone is 'scared'. :doh: What is the logic behind this?

The biggest problem the West facing now is from the within. Experts, talking heads, opinion makers, 'whiz kids', academia, the business elite, and highly-paid bureaucrats in all those alphabet agencies were always wrong. The more educated and higher ranked, the more incompetent and corrupt them become. They led the West, and the world, into one failure after another, and suffered very little consequences. Mark my words: if the West lose this war, there will be serious consequences, plenty of them coming.


I totally agree with you here. The West must make sure that Russia loses really badly and Ukraine liberates all of the areas held by Russia right now. That's the only sensible way to deal with Russia now. Give all the help Ukraine needs to achieve this, make Russia pay for reparations (at least use those frozen assets) and don't relieve sanctions unless there is huge change within Russia (akin to Germany and Japan after WW2). That will remove the threat from Russia and will also help dealing with China in the future. I do see very good signs for this as USA is planning for a very big aid package, UK just promised to continue aid at the same level as they have done, Sweden and Finland both have just decided their largest aid packages to date and other countries have been giving equipment, ammo and training along with money and humanitarian aid. All of that is now really important and need to go on and preferably increased to not give Russia breathing room.

It's really baffling why Russia started the actual shooting war. I bet they imagined that Ukraine would fold really easily and the West would be too divided and slow to react. There were reasons for that as the West had made many mistakes dealing with Russia and given signals of weakness to them.
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 08:28

Russia has been fighting a shooting war since 2014. After Maidan Revolution, Russia abetted the separatists movement in Donbas, sending in men and heavy equipments, tanks and artillery, then regular units of ground forces. It was a full-blown conflict causing tens of thousands of deaths. Shooting down MH17. Little green men in Crimea. Followed by eight years of frozen conflict. The West did very little.

A lot of speculation about why started the all-out invasion in late Feburary:

First, the long low-intensity conflict didn't work in Russia's favor. Zelenskyy was a populist outsider. No way he was going to play the role of Yanukovych. Putin adopted the maximalist goal and started the build up in 2021.

Second, Russia was not certain about how many troops were going to be needed. So the build up took longer than expected. This dragged on into 2022.

Third, the Winter Olympics. A hundred thousands men participating in the exercise in the Belarusian forest had to wait and suffer for a few more weeks. The situation was deteriorating fast. They were running out of supplies. It had to start, or the troops would need to be pulled back.

The assumption was this SMO would only last for a few days. So the poor state of readiness of the troops shouldn't have mattered.

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It was a mistake. Should go after Kazakhstan instead.
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The UK is sending three Westland Sea King anti-submarine warfare helicopters to Ukraine.

The first airframe is already in the country, two more will follow shortly.


Interesting. But why? I am sure there are still Mi-8/17 available.
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 09:48

zhangmdev wrote:
pron wrote: And the Kinburn peninsula is back on Ukraine control.


No evidence indicates this. More likely it is under 'fire control

Maybe. I just saw what the governor said.

https://www.trtworld.com/europe/live-bl ... area-62775

It looks more like an ongoing operation.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u ... t-underway
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Unread post23 Nov 2022, 11:23

Mi-8AMTSh RF-91292, shot down in April.
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in the city of Vilniansk in Zaporizhzhia region, as a result of a rocket attack on the territory of the local hospital, the two-storey building of the maternity ward was destroyed,

As a result of the attack, a baby born in 2022 died, the woman and doctor were rescued from the rubble,


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