Russia-Ukraine War 2022

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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 07:09

hornetfinn wrote:
:applause: Yeah, this whole war and every Russian official is like Monty Python after they took some drugs... Especially those crazy Russian TV shows...


This should be the anthem for the Russian command and leadership after all this...

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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 08:07

A building in Zaporizhzhia was hit overnight. Seven killed.

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Javelin hit. Tank abandoned.
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Banksy in Kyiv. "We already cried so much. We don't have any tears left."
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:48369950 ... _videoshow
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Banksy


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A few days ago, there was a video of a number of dead Z laying on the ground. Today there is a video of the same group surrendering in Makiivka. The last one came out shooting. It makes sense now. Even defeated, RUS is very dangerous. Achieved nothing but more casualties on both sides. Every comrade of his was dead. From leaders to foot soldiers, they are not right in the mind.

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Never saw this before :x
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MH17

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MH17


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Also this clown.
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Lukashenko
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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 14:28

hornetfinn wrote:I was wondering the exact same thing, but he definitely does say fourth and fifth generation fighters (that part at about 33:30)...

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Of course that doesn't change the fact that he might've intended to say something else.


Thanks for sharing the video, hornetfinn!
Yeah, he really says fourth and fifth generation fighters indeed.

And while he might intended to say something else but while digging a little bit further on the subject it seems that there's indeed a chance that what he said could actually be true judging by what the Russians themselves claimed. As it can be read in the link below, the Russians claimed to have used their Su-57's in combat over Ukraine including using four (4) of them in SEAD role against Ukrainian air defences:
https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/06/th ... r-ukraine/

So and judging by the "Russian's standard behaviour" I would say that the Russians might indeed used the Su-57 against Ukrainian Air Defences but that probably didn't turned out quite well or exactly as expected and one Su-57 or even more may have been shot down by the same Ukrainian Air Defences that they were trying to destroy/supress. Of course knowing the Russians and how they behave, I would say that they only told the part that follows their propaganda/narrative (Su-57 used in combat) while hiding the negative part (Su-57 lost in combat) :wink:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 14:37

Well they did open their prisons and send all their Felons to the front.
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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 14:39

charlielima223 wrote:
hornetfinn wrote:
:applause: Yeah, this whole war and every Russian official is like Monty Python after they took some drugs... Especially those crazy Russian TV shows...


This should be the anthem for the Russian command and leadership after all this...



Actually, that was already used as a background music in at least one of the videos that I watched about this war. Somebody put it in a video where a Russian tank was fleeing from advancing Ukrainian troops with a bunch of (Russian) soldiers on the tank's "rooftop"/turret. The tank's driver was so desperate and driving so erratically (and too fast) that all soldier on top of the tanks ended up falling from it and later the driver lost control of the tank which went off road and crashed into a tree :doh:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 14:40

viperzerof-2 wrote:Well they did open their prisons and send all their Felons to the front.


Very good one, indeed!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 15:05

Captured a running 2S23 Nona, 120mm mortar on wheels, a very rare artillery piece.
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Zaporizhzhia S-300 attack last night killed 10 people.

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First shellings reported in Kherson city.

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Ilovaisk, railway bridge was targeted by HIMARS.
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Ilovaisk

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Ilovaisk

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Unread post18 Nov 2022, 19:40

The train station in Kherson is back in business.
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Ukrzaliznytsia, Ukraine’s national rail company, has a workforce of 231,000 people. Nearly 300 railway workers have been killed and over 600 injured since the conflict erupted.

They want to keep the trains running for as long as they can and return to areas recently liberated as fast as they can. In Izyum, trains were running just four and a half days after the Russians were forced to beat a retreat.

https://adfree.uk/blog/the-ukrainians-f ... l-network/

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First train from Kyiv to Kherson since liberation.
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Russian media “Mash” showed footage of tonight’s strike of a Ukrainian naval drone on the Sheskharis oil harbor in Novorossiysk.

Explosion was at the eighth berth in “Tsemess Bay”.
Earlier Russian company Transneft, which owns the berth, stated there was no explosion.

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Destroyed Msta-S in Kherson region
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 05:08

Stalking a Tor AD system. The location was on the outskirts of Svatove. It was retreating toward the city.
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Reportedly Su-35 shot down near Bakhmut. Don't know if true.

Edit: UKR air force said the 'downing of Su-35 by NASAMS' is not true.

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RUS source: UKR attacking at Svatove, Kreminna, Lysychansk, Popasna.

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World Central Kitchen delivering food in Kherson. "Ukraine has food. Ukraine feeds the world. What they don't have is infrastructure. The roads are broken. The supermarket is closed. Seven millions are displaced inside the country. Seven millions are outside."
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Kherson


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No air raid siren sounded in Lviv yesterday.

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First train from Kyiv pulling into Kherson.
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Kherson


Double locomotives with improvised armor. A lot of wagons. The train station looks tidy.
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 10:53

Everything will be fine.
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Reportedly, during the months of September-October, 23,000 inmates of Russian correctional institutions have been 'released'. Likely due to the recruitment of the Wagner PMC.

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Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has confirmed the UK will bolster Ukraine's air defences during his first visit to the country. 
The major £50 million package of air defence will aim to "protect Ukrainian civilians and critical national infrastructure from an intense barrage of Russian strikes".

It is made up of 125 anti-aircraft guns and technology to counter deadly Iranian-supplied drones, including dozens of radars and anti-drone electronic warfare capability.

The new package follows more than 1,000 new anti-air missiles announced by the defence secretary earlier this month.

What AAA?
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 11:11

zhangmdev wrote:Everything will be fine.


Despite all the loss and tragedy, life will go on. It is very uplifting to see the simple things in life that still brings a smile to someone's face like that child making a large snowball.
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 13:25

charlielima223 wrote:
zhangmdev wrote:Everything will be fine.


Despite all the loss and tragedy, life will go on. It is very uplifting to see the simple things in life that still brings a smile to someone's face like that child making a large snowball.


Indeed, indeed...
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 20:09

viperzerof-2 wrote:Well they did open their prisons and send all their Felons to the front.


:lmao:
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Unread post19 Nov 2022, 20:10

Minus one T-72, three T-62, one 1V15.
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Destroyed Msta-S
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Msta-S


R-330B? jamming station?
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Looks like three BM-27 Uragan destroyed.
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Unread post20 Nov 2022, 09:39

Lviv city center.
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Lviv


On the road from Irpin to Lviv. From a Chinese guy sending aid supplies to Irpin.
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Irpin


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UKR source comments on the latest missile barrage:

It is not entirely correct to say that "this is how Russia took revenge for the defeat at Kherson" or that "this is how the Kremlin took revenge for the humiliation at the G20". It is more correct to say here that the Rashists carried out this missile attack only because they had the technical opportunity to do so.

When the Russians carried out the first massive attack on the energy infrastructure on October 10-11, they already "scooped up" their inviolable stock of cruise missiles. For example, at that time near Kyiv, our anti-aircraft defense shot down a Kh-101 manufactured in the second quarter of 2022. Although it is usually the old missiles that are fired first.

The Kremlin started the war with a 10-years' supply of cruise missiles, and now has a lag of only a few months. That is why the Russians now keep an interval of 2 weeks between the next mass missile strikes. Because the Russian Federation cannot replenish its inventory of cruise missiles faster.

This time, the Russians were "late" - usually they start the attack in the morning, but today they started in the afternoon. It seems that there is also a "technological" explanation here. Usually, for attacks, the Russians use a "mix" of Tu-95MS bombers (which can carry up to 6[sic] missiles) and Tu-160 (which can carry up to 12 missiles).

This time there were only Tu-95MS, a record number of 14 sorties. And here there may be such an explanation - it seems that the on-board equipment on the Tu-160 "jammed" in the process of preparing for departure. That is why the Rashist aviation engineers had to replenish the missiles of Tu-95MS and came back again. That is why the orcs were "late" this time.

If we count on the basis of figures from open sources, the Russian Federation still has at least 300 air-based cruise missiles Kh-101 and Kh-555 + naval "Calibre". And this will probably be enough for another 3-4 such massive shelling. Therefore, the Russians, as a vile and insidious people, will always find an "excuse" for another stike on Ukraine to amuse their bloodthirsty audience. If, of course, they can withstand a production cycle of 2 weeks for a cruise missile.

After all, the "window of opportunity" is narrowing for them.


On the Polish AD capabilities:

NATO doctrine assumes that the main role in air defense is played by aviation. As a result, the majority of NATO countries have weak and small air defense. For example, Poland's air defense system in 2022 consisted of air defense systems of an even older model than Ukraine's (S-200, S-125). I found an interesting article on FB about the Polish air defense and their ability to repel a missile strike. It is without translation, so I will translate it myself.

What about air defense in Poland, and can the Poles defend themselves against racist missiles

- After yesterday's "arrival" over Poland during the Russian missile attack, there was a lot of wonder about how NATO (as the collective sum of the military power of the participating countries) could "sleep through" the attack. And the problem lies in the fact that even the same Poles have anti-aircraft defense at a "symbolic" level.

If we take data on air defense units in the Polish Air Force, there is only one S-200B battery covering Warsaw. And 17 S-125 Neva SC complexes (in a mobile version, on a tracked chassis).

If we take the data for the units of the army air defense as part of the Polish Ground Forces, then the picture looks somewhat "richer".

In particular, the Poles still have 20 2K12 "Kub" complexes, 64 "Osa-AK" complexes (this figure is as of the end of last year), 42 short-range Poprad air defense systems, 20 ZSU-23-4MP Biala anti-aircraft artillery complexes ( the Polish upgrade of "Shylka"), and about a hundred Pilica complexes - a "hybrid" of the modified ZU-23-2 and Piorun MANPADS. Also - about 300 units of "classic" ZU-23-2.

But the situation with air defense equipment for the Polish naval forces looks the most colorful. Their fleet has two anti-aircraft divisions and two anti-aircraft batteries armed with S-60 and ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns and "Peruns". And with such a simple array of forces, the Poles cover in particular the pride of their Navy - two batteries of NSM coastal missile anti-ship complexes.


And

Poland is currently conducting the Wisla program for the purchase and production of 4 batteries (16 air defense systems) of Patriot complexes. But they will be on combat duty no earlier than 2025.

The situation is similar with the Narew program, as part of which the Poles are buying the latest Sky Sabre medium-range air defense systems from Great Britain. Poland received the first complex of this type in July 2022, another one should be received by the end of this year, but the delivery of the other 21 complexes will take several years.

Against this background, various exotic proposals are already slowly being heard in the local press. For example, that Poland needs to build over-the-horizon radars for long-range detection of Russian cruise missiles. Or - to rebuild the energy infrastructure so that it "fits" into the coverage area of existing and promising means.

Because the Poles clearly understand that they do not have enough resources for the "Soviet" density of air defense cover. Even in spite of the fact that the defense budget for 2023 will reach a record $21 billion.


Found a destroyed 2A36 Giatsint-B.
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2A36 Giatsint-B
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