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Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 08:50
by weasel1962
The PAF F-16s are F100-PW-220s equipped. The last batch (which are not based near the LOC) was 229s.

Pakistan had a choice in 2006
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1878.html
but they went with 229s. Older ones can also be seen by the upgrade in item 4 below.
http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article3906.html

The pics are actually Pakistani army looking at the debris (see patches). Indians of course hoping that the downed planes are Pakistani.

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 11:17
by hythelday
awsome wrote:
Photos+of+the+mig21+bisons+shot+down+over+pakistan_09bf52_6964768.jpg
A shot of one of the wrecks. The tail looks more like its from a mirage than a Mig 21 to me.


Mirage 2000 with horizontal tail surfaces? That'd more newsworthy than air combat in itself.

Looks indeed like a Hawk.
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This is either a recycled photo, or... IDK what the hell were Hawks doing there.

AFP photo clearly shows the frint part of MiG-21, so it's a different wreck.

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 11:58
by eloise

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 12:08
by basher54321
hythelday wrote:
Looks indeed like a Hawk.



There were a load of old crash sites posted yesterday including that hawk:

The image of crashed India Air Force's Hawk Mk.132 training jet dates back to 3rd June 2015. It crashed at Mayurbhanj. Both student and instructor ejected safely and survived.

MiG-27
Image of the crashed MiG-27 comes from accident for India Air Force's MiG-27MU with TU657 serial number at Rajasthan's Jodhpur on 12 June 2016.

AN Mi-17 crashed yesterday to add to things:

This is the burning wreckage of India Air Force's Mi-17V-5 which crashed near Srinagar airport. It is located within 120km from Pakistan's territory which makes it impossible for Pakistan to have shot it down by means of any SAM system or even fighter jets.



The Indian side posted a crashed JF-17 from before 2013 that was also being claimed as an F-16 but easily identified as a JF-17.

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 12:14
by basher54321
That piece of wreckage above is part of these pictures and there was a video that went round it which clearly showed it was NOT an F-16.


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This is the other side of that wreckage
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Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 12:25
by basher54321
This posted earlier by Hythelday is probably the best shot of Pakistani soldiers standing over the front crushed end of a MiG-21 Bison. Took me a while at first to recognise that was a nose cone.

MiG-21bison down in Pakistan.jpg

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 13:40
by basher54321
Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman might be released



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47399126

Pakistan will release a captured Indian pilot as a "peace gesture" on Friday, Prime Minister Imran Khan has said.
Mr Khan revealed the decision in parliament after a speech in which he said Pakistan was focused on de-escalation.
Pakistan shot down the pilot's jet on Wednesday, as tensions rose with India over the disputed region of Kashmir.
The capture of Abhinandan Varthaman was a major setback for India. Both sides are under pressure to calm tensions.

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 14:14
by basher54321
Now seems to be a claim this was found on the Indian side of the LOC.

So could be from anywhere but there is a serial so can at least be identified if it is more BS.

AMRAAM found Indian side.jpg

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 14:51
by mixelflick
basher54321 wrote:Now seems to be a claim this was found on the Indian side of the LOC.

So could be from anywhere but there is a serial so can at least be identified if it is more BS.

AMRAAM found Indian side.jpg


IF it's legit, it could prove anything from a crashed F-16 to an AMRAAM the F-16 fired missed to an AMRAAM the F-16 fired hit, etc.. I don't think AMRAAM's are fitted to the J/C-17 but OTOH, I suppose it's possible.

Doesn't prove much IMO..

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 14:58
by zero-one
They're now using F-16.net to push that an F-16 was shot down

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 15:15
by basher54321
Desperate times calls for desperate measures I guess :doh:

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 15:19
by basher54321
mixelflick wrote:
IF it's legit, it could prove anything from a crashed F-16 to an AMRAAM the F-16 fired missed to an AMRAAM the F-16 fired hit, etc.. I don't think AMRAAM's are fitted to the J/C-17 but OTOH, I suppose it's possible.

Doesn't prove much IMO..


If it is false at least they might have done a bit more homework on this one because looking back AMRAAM sales to Pak look to have been C-5s. It's a step up from trying to pass off random bits of metal as an F-16.

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 16:05
by basher54321
So that piece of AMRAAM that possibly shot down an IAF jet quickly found its way to an Indian News briefing.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/p ... 2019-02-28

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They are going mad for it

https://twitter.com/IndiaToday/status/1 ... 9553796103

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 16:24
by Patriot
Looks staged to me.
How high is the probability that AIM-120 tears up itself so the entire description of the type/version/sn will be clearly visible?

But... if that piece comes from an AMRAAM indeed I bet they pulled it out of the smoking wreckage of Su-30MKI that hit the dirt on Indian side of the border.

It may only serve as the proof of the F-16 involvment but there is 0 evidence provided that any F-16 was shot down. On the other hand if Paks downed a Flanker they might dont want to show the HUDcam recording from the engagement as they claimed before there were no Vipers involved. If theres a downed Su-30 on the Indian side they dont show it either

Re: Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

Unread postPosted: 28 Feb 2019, 16:42
by basher54321
Well interesting how easy it was to find the contract number listed on that wreckage - although am not familiar with Tiawan as a country - perhaps a typo for Taiwan or Pakistan. :D (Suppose they could have been diverted at some stage)

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https://fas.org/programs/ssp/asmp/facts ... 1_FY09.pdf



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