Which fighter will be the 1st to hit india?

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Which stealth fighter will India choose?

Poll ended at 25 Jul 2021, 23:30

Checkmate
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F-35
3
27%
HAL AMCA
7
64%
Some other design?
1
9%
 
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 23:30

Checkmate versus F-35 versus HaL AMCA?
India is in desperate position. With China constantly threatening and now having the tactical aviation assets to back it up what will India do?
With the announcement of the new Russian design things may change. What plane will come to the Indian subcontinent 1st?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_AMCA
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Unread post22 Jul 2021, 02:00

jessmo112 wrote:Checkmate versus F-35 versus HaL AMCA?
India is in desperate position. With China constantly threatening and now having the tactical aviation assets to back it up what will India do?
With the announcement of the new Russian design things may change. What plane will come to the Indian subcontinent 1st?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_AMCA

I don't think the F-35 will ever be an option.
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Unread post22 Jul 2021, 04:58

The Indians are the one in the hot seat. So they should have the motivation to make HAL-AMCA work. I'll put a $1 (USD) on HAL-AMCA.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post22 Jul 2021, 12:43

wrightwing wrote:I don't think the F-35 will ever be an option.


DITTO!

And due to the above (F-35 will never be an option for India) together with my doubts that India will ever be able to deploy the HAL AMCA, just look at all the issues around the development of Tejas which is supposed to be a simple second-line and light 4th gen fighter aircraft and while being very suspicious/distrustful and skeptical about the Russians due to the PAK FA/Su-57/FGFA, I voted "another design" (whatever that might be).
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post22 Jul 2021, 21:50

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None of these options can be the 1st to "hit India"
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Unread post22 Jul 2021, 23:56

wrightwing wrote:I don't think the F-35 will ever be an option.


Exactly what I was thinking about UAE.
Accel + Alt + VLO + DAS + MDF + Radial Distance = LIFE . . . Always choose Stealth
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 00:10

steve2267 wrote:The Indians are the one in the hot seat. So they should have the motivation to make HAL-AMCA work.


Given they're exposed and do need capability fast their best hedge IMO, is procure F-35A while they build a much higher-risk, lower-performing HAL-AMCA and a teamed-drone. Then they don't need to produce AMCA as fast, and can scale-up an F-35A force if needed, if/when AMCA takes longer then expected to provide a useful stealth advantage against most of what China has in service.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 00:14

XanderCrews wrote:Image


Personally, I wouldn't choose hi-vis orange if I didn't want to be seen and my life as in the balance if I was.
Accel + Alt + VLO + DAS + MDF + Radial Distance = LIFE . . . Always choose Stealth
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 01:39

element1loop wrote:Given they're exposed and do need capability fast their best hedge IMO, is procure F-35A while they build a much higher-risk, lower-performing HAL-AMCA and a teamed-drone.


For India, wanting to procure, and being able to procure F-35 are two different things. If they are given the opportunity, they would be fools to not jump at the chance. But if F-35 is not an option, making HAL AMCA a priority would seem to be their best bet. (Or maybe the KF-21?)
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 04:22

steve2267 wrote:(Or maybe the KF-21?)


I think they'll insist on building their own now. Living next door to a J20 equipped PLAAF should motivate them, but their actual force-structure decisions are strange.

Buying 36 very expensive Rafales makes little sense to me given they wanted 126, except they seem determined to build Tejas-2 instead, given France concluded HAL probably couldn't build the remaining 90 Rafale's locally. Which seems to have tipped them to go all-in on the local fighter, with a 5th-gen spin-off in parallel. But yeah, F-35A is what they need, if they can get it. The idea UAE can buy them but India can't is a mistake, IMO. If India can't get them there's no way UAE should have got them. And yet, here's India buying S400. So I'm not buying this report of IAF interest in more MiG29s ... mainly because it makes no sense unless they think HAL can't crank out Tejas-II and a HAL 5th-gen in numbers any time soon. Even then, why not buy secondhand F-16s, update to V to cover the gap?

Yeah ... maybe they never get an F-35A.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 12:25

Turns out they chose MiG-29 over 5th gen.

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