The 2008-retired F-117 is alive and well and....

[boff180]

Supposedly being used as a secret stealth aggressor type for Red Flag.

So secret that two dropped into Miramar in the middle of the day yesterday.....

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGnQiSpBjTn ... _copy_link

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... -san-diego

[mixelflick]

It makes perfect sense though..

The F-22 fleet is tiny, and the F-35 units are still getting up to speed. F-117 is probably there to simulate the J-20 and/or the latest generation of Russian stealthy cruise missiles. The SU-57... frankly, I don't think they're very concerned about simulating something with a RCS the size of a Super Hornet.

[milosh]

F-117 can't simulate J-20 nor Su-57. It is subsonic with awful agility.

Using F-22 with some reflectors to mimic estimated J-20/Su-57 RCS is lot more logical.

[wrightwing]

F-117 can't simulate J-20 nor Su-57. It is subsonic with awful agility.

Using F-22 with some reflectors to mimic estimated J-20/Su-57 RCS is lot more logical.

They aren't doing BFM, so the F-117s kinematics are irrelevant.

[mixelflick]

F-117 can't simulate J-20 nor Su-57. It is subsonic with awful agility.

Using F-22 with some reflectors to mimic estimated J-20/Su-57 RCS is lot more logical.

They aren't doing BFM, so the F-117s kinematics are irrelevant.

THIS...

Last I heard they were doing some offshore work in the Pacific, undoubtedly simulating attacks on our carrier battle groups. What they're doing inland though, is anyone's guess. BVR stuff, I'd imagine.

[jessmo112]

F-117 can't simulate J-20 nor Su-57. It is subsonic with awful agility.

Using F-22 with some reflectors to mimic estimated J-20/Su-57 RCS is lot more logical.

I wouldn't be surprised if the J-20 and F-117 have similar agility.

[basher54321]

J-20 doesn't look too bad at an airshow whereas the F-117 airshow is in line with its flight manual - which means anything outside of roll rate comparison forget it!

[basher54321]

The 144th Fighter Wing welcomed the arrival of two F-117 Nighthawk aircraft Sept 13, 2021 to the Fresno Air National Guard Base, California, to conduct dissimilar air combat training missions.

U.S. Air Force Col. Troy Havener, 144th Fighter Wing commander, said, “We have the distinct honor of being the first Air Force unit to host them for a full week of training,” referencing the Wing’s deliberate partnership building efforts and their demonstrated operational proficiency as critical to securing the training opportunity.

Over the next few days the 144th FW’s F-15 pilots will conduct multiple dissimilar air combat training missions with the F-117 pilots.
“This week we reap the benefits of two plus years of careful communication and determined coordination with agencies and leaders overseeing these unique USAF assets,” said Havener. “The training against integrated forces that include the F-117 will challenge and sharpen pilots, as well as build confidence in tactics and systems needed to defend our nation.”

Lt. Col. David Allamandola, 144th FW Advanced Programs Officer said, “Our Griffin pilots, operations, and maintainers, are thrilled to be able to participate in this unique opportunity. It is a very special privilege to do open air training missions with the F-117 Nighthawks.”

“This training offers incredible value for everyone involved and presents new challenges to test difficult tactics in a realistic environment. Not everyone gets to do this, so it’s been exciting creating the ground work with our partners to make this a reality,” said Allamandola. “The enthusiasm is contagious. We are incredibly thankful to our guests for their tireless efforts over an extended period of time to make this a reality. It’s been fantastic to see this plan come together.”

This is the first time that F-117 Nighthawks have landed in Fresno. Their presence immediately received interest from multiple media outlets and some members of the community.

Although officially retired, many F-117s remain airworthy and are used to support limited research and training missions based on overall cost effectiveness and their ability to offer unique capabilities.

As of January 2021, the U.S. Air Force has 48 F-117s remaining in its inventory, and is disposing of approximately four aircraft each year. As airframes are disposed, they are offered to museums though the USAF Strategic Basing program and the National Museum of the USAF.

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