F-15EX

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Unread post19 Jan 2023, 23:32

19 Jan 2023

TEL AVIV — The Israeli Ministry of Defense has officially requested 25 F-15 EX fighters from the US, according to industry sources, but the Israeli air force is already hoping to double the order.

An official Letter of Request (LOR) for the fighters was sent from the Israeli government to the US government last week, the sources said. Letters of request are the first step in the Foreign Military Sale process, after which details on numbers and pricing are negotiated.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/01/isr ... s-sources/
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Unread post19 Jan 2023, 23:43

Seems like the F-15EX’s raw payload is more suitable for the Israeli Air Force tactics and doctrine. Possibly, if the F-15EX doesn’t fit into our doctrine, those may end up in Israeli hands in the 2030s or 2040s.

Although it’s a bit amusing to see Corsair’s statement now aging very poorly.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 03:07

**all quotes taken from provided article by basher**

Not just brand new Eagle 2s but also upgrading some of their existing Eagles closer to the Eagle 2 standards...
The IAF wants 25 F-15 EX and in parallel to upgrade its 25 F-15 I variants to the same avionic configuration of the F-15 EX, except for the fly-by-wire system. The Israeli defense source said that budget limitations may affect the “scope” of the F-15 I planned upgrade. The IAF currently operates 50 F-15 A/B/C/D variants and 25 F-15 I.


I always did surmised that the one thing the F-15EX has going for it is just its sheer utilitarian purpose. Yeah you can do a lot of things with that new family van but something you just need that rugged pickup truck with the open flatbed to really move and haul stuff.
This will require a first wave of F-35s to neutralize the air defense systems and then the F-15 “trucks” to follow with heavy loads of very advanced weapon systems, some which are in development.

F-15EX's armed with that new 5000lbs bunker buster and F-35Is should give the Iranian military and their Ayatollah puppet masters a moment to pause and think.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 18:48

Deep intel on the F-15EX


Some interesting stuff:

1. Flight performance is like watered down F-15C but an uprated F-15E.
2. Fastest it ever went was Mach 2.493
3. The GE powered F-15EX will walk away from a Pratt powered F-15E even if they both have 29k class engines. The GE engine is around 15 years newer so the "power curves are different" and its more efficient.

Question: if newer engines will provide better performance even if they are technically the same thrust class, then will this apply with the F-16 block 72 powered with the PW-229s, will they out perform the block 50 with older GE-129s
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 19:14

The best thing about that video is that it seems like a pretty accurate summary of the public F-15EX program upto now for anyone who has not been following. Including some of the politics and little things like the EX is 95% a QA.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 19:27

charlielima223 wrote:F-15EX's armed with that new 5000lbs bunker buster and F-35Is should give the Iranian military and their Ayatollah puppet masters a moment to pause and think.


F-35's with that same new 5000 lbs bunker buster sounds better, better change to get them through the air defences than with F-15EX's. Even with 1-2 externally carried weapons, F-35 is MUCH harder to detect than F-15EX.

5000 lbs should not be a problem for hardpoints 3 and 9 of F-35.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 19:42

Some of the F-15S and F-15K had the GE-129. I’m curious if the difference between either of them would be at all noticeable. I know the EX has fly by wire as well.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 19:59

hkultala wrote:F-35's with that same new 5000 lbs bunker buster sounds better, better change to get them through the air defences than with F-15EX's. Even with 1-2 externally carried weapons, F-35 is MUCH harder to detect than F-15EX.

5000 lbs should not be a problem for hardpoints 3 and 9 of F-35.


But he did make a good point, if everything is stealthy, its easier to find that one little spec flying around. but if you have 4th gens and 5th gens working together, then its just that much easier for the 5th gens to hide.

He described it as listening to a whisper in a concert.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 20:47

basher54321 wrote:
19 Jan 2023

TEL AVIV — The Israeli Ministry of Defense has officially requested 25 F-15 EX fighters from the US, according to industry sources, but the Israeli air force is already hoping to double the order.

An official Letter of Request (LOR) for the fighters was sent from the Israeli government to the US government last week, the sources said. Letters of request are the first step in the Foreign Military Sale process, after which details on numbers and pricing are negotiated.

https://breakingdefense.com/2023/01/isr ... s-sources/


Huge news!

They're clearly hedging their bets and have come to the same conclusion as everyone else - 5th gen is here to stay, but 4++ jets will be around for a long time too. Very interesting, especially given the Iranian SU-35 acquisition. Israel is anything but predictable in these matters, although their EX is almost certainly going to focus on air to ground missions. Still, they can be expected to fight their way in/out so the long anticipated match up still exists.

The smart money would be on the EX emerging victorious IMO. Hopefully, we never have to find out.
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 22:12

hkultala wrote:F-35's with that same new 5000 lbs bunker buster sounds better, better change to get them through the air defences than with F-15EX's. Even with 1-2 externally carried weapons, F-35 is MUCH harder to detect than F-15EX.

5000 lbs should not be a problem for hardpoints 3 and 9 of F-35.


I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding the F-35 hauling around something 5000lbs on said pylons... until they actually test it and/or clear it for operational use; its nothing but powerpoint capability. Unlike F-15E which has actually tested it and set it for operational capability...

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/f-15e-s ... er-buster/
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Unread post20 Jan 2023, 22:30

zero-one wrote:Deep intel on the F-15EX


Some interesting stuff:

1. Flight performance is like watered down F-15C but an uprated F-15E.
2. Fastest it ever went was Mach 2.493
3. The GE powered F-15EX will walk away from a Pratt powered F-15E even if they both have 29k class engines. The GE engine is around 15 years newer so the "power curves are different" and its more efficient.

Question: if newer engines will provide better performance even if they are technically the same thrust class, then will this apply with the F-16 block 72 powered with the PW-229s, will they out perform the block 50 with older GE-129s


I saw this pop up on my feed last night but I didnt get a chance to watch it. FInally got a chance to watch it today and enjoyed it the hell out of it. Thanks for posting this zero. I hope the US military gets their heads out of their 4th point of contact and get on this aircraft.
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Unread post21 Jan 2023, 00:08

charlielima223 wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding the F-35 hauling around something 5000lbs on said pylons... until they actually test it and/or clear it for operational use; its nothing but powerpoint capability. Unlike F-15E which has actually tested it and set it for operational capability...




Yet, no reason the F-35 couldn't carry it. Plus, in most cases Bombers are likely a better option for such weapons.
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Unread post21 Jan 2023, 12:44

Corsair1963 wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again regarding the F-35 hauling around something 5000lbs on said pylons... until they actually test it and/or clear it for operational use; its nothing but powerpoint capability. Unlike F-15E which has actually tested it and set it for operational capability...




Yet, no reason the F-35 couldn't carry it. Plus, in most cases Bombers are likely a better option for such weapons.


There's much logic carrying 5000lbs missile with F35. Whole point of F35 is excellent internal weapon load. big external missile would impact rcs a lot and range too.
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Unread post21 Jan 2023, 14:11

charlielima223 wrote:
zero-one wrote:Deep intel on the F-15EX


Some interesting stuff:

1. Flight performance is like watered down F-15C but an uprated F-15E.
2. Fastest it ever went was Mach 2.493
3. The GE powered F-15EX will walk away from a Pratt powered F-15E even if they both have 29k class engines. The GE engine is around 15 years newer so the "power curves are different" and its more efficient.

Question: if newer engines will provide better performance even if they are technically the same thrust class, then will this apply with the F-16 block 72 powered with the PW-229s, will they out perform the block 50 with older GE-129s


I saw this pop up on my feed last night but I didnt get a chance to watch it. FInally got a chance to watch it today and enjoyed it the hell out of it. Thanks for posting this zero. I hope the US military gets their heads out of their 4th point of contact and get on this aircraft.


Agreed. Best video/explanation of what the F-15EX is and isn’t. It answered pretty much all of my questions/concerns. It’s going to be a truly outstanding ship. I was Leary, but I’m sold on the ‘Super Eagle’. The kid in me wishes they would give those vertical stabs a few degrees of lean for the Radar cross-section but honestly it doesn’t matter.

If you haven’t subscribed or heard of Ward Carrol, in my opinion he’s one of, or the best Military Aviation Channel’s on YouTube. And his guest (Who’s name escapes me) is on top of all things concerning Military Aviation in a nuts/bolts/thrust/weight/physics/technology standpoint. He runs ‘The Merge’ which I highly recommend subscribing to (Its a Free Email Newsletter, NOT a Paid Subscription).

The link to ‘The Merge’ is in the F-15EX YouTube video which I hope anyone with Questions/Concerns with the F-15EX will watch.
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Unread post21 Jan 2023, 15:13

Latest DOTE for FY22 suggests CFTs may be added later to F-15EX.



Following the initial portion of Phase 1 testing, the Air Force’s Air Combat Command clarified that the aircraft configuration for the first operational F-15EX units will not include conformal fuel tanks (CFT).

The lack of CFTs will limit the number of external pods and air-to-ground weapons the F-15EX will be able to employ.

While the initial Phase 1 testing was done with CFTs, it is likely that the test data produced will still be representative of the production aircraft equipped with two external F-15EX tanks, as now planned. Until CFTs are procured and provisioned, F-15EX’s air-to-ground capabilities will be very limited.



Also summary

The F-15EX Eagle II entered integrated developmental and operational test in FY22, completing
8 of 17 planned two-ship missions. Five four-ship missions are planned for FY23 when the Lot
1B aircraft are delivered. Testing was paused due to restrictions on the use of Link 16. Initial
effectiveness data from the missions flown show the F-15EX performed as well as, or better than,
the F-15C it is intended to replace
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