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Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 23 Feb 2018, 19:35
by charlielima223
jetnerd wrote:
They may not even pick that up if the APG-77 is operating in LPI mode. Unless the F-22's are limiting its use to deprive the Russians the opportunity to try and study it.


I'm jokingly giving them the benefit of the doubt. Chances are is that the F-22 will "see" the PAKFA well before the PAKFA will know there is one in the area. Even if the PAKFA knew the F-22 was "looking" at it, the PAKFA most likely wouldn't know what is looking at it and from where.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 23 Feb 2018, 21:07
by XanderCrews
The wagner Russians got their asses kicked. The CNC is giving centcom full authority and they acted on it.


Read some of the reports. There has been mention of b-52s doing "JDAM arclights" and frustrated apaches with nothing left to shoot at

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 23 Feb 2018, 21:58
by juretrn
Anyone wants to trigger Russiaboos?
https://warisboring.com/russias-stealth ... ous-farce/
I mean, WiB is fine for F-35 bashing, so why not for Su-57?

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 00:15
by awsome
mixelflick wrote:Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qebsiLbNkyM at the :48 second mark

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 01:13
by zerion
awsome wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qebsiLbNkyM at the :48 second mark

sorry I wasn't watching the time, but are you referring to the missing lunch? Because I'm pretty sure that's a fake video.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 02:41
by SpudmanWP
At worst, it's a fake... at best it's a weapon release test as that plane has no radar to guide the missile.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 07:04
by neptune
Since al-Assad only controls 1/3 of the country, I surmise the escorts are along to bomb any SU-57 crash site that should occur?
:)

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 08:22
by element1loop
neptune wrote:Since al-Assad only controls 1/3 of the country, I surmise the escorts are along to bomb any SU-57 crash site that should occur?
:)


may take a while ... dumb bombs only ... not good shot

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 15:13
by XanderCrews
awsome wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qebsiLbNkyM at the :48 second mark



CGI is CGI

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 17:25
by mixelflick
awsome wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Look closer at what we've seen so far...

The SU-57's aren't going anywhwere without SU-35/SU-30SM escorts. I'd bet good money that's the case the entire time they're there. Now, one question... How do board members here know it hasn't fired a missile or dropped a bomb? Or is that just speculation??

Its been 7 years since its first flight, surely they would have qualified some weapons on it by now?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qebsiLbNkyM at the :48 second mark


If I'm not mistaken, that was panned long ago as a work of fiction. Maybe it's occurred, but as others have stated here likely an unguided launch if that. They've been pretty free with releasing SU-57 videos and bragging everywhere they can about how it's moving along, so why so few videos about weapons release?

Tom Cooper is pretty respected jounalist, and had insights in his article I hadn't read elsewhere. I'd trust his sources/judgement on the issue. One thing that really hit home is... how are the pilots supposed to know how best to employ it given the test fleet is hardly enough to integrate with other assets, especially lacking exercises like green or red flag?

How many tactics have been worked out with SU-35's, A-50's, etc. given the fleet is around 10-12 prototypes, not all of which are airworthy? If the latest reports are true, 2 more have joined the fray in Syria. That's around half the prototype fleet in a war zone!!

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 18:10
by zerion
Imagine the excuses if one were to go down.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 18:19
by madrat
Never fear, I'm sure a tug will be around to tow it back to port safely... oops.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 19:07
by marsavian
I suspect they are just kicking the tyres on its sensor suites in a combat area. They are not in air combat with anyone in Syria just strike operations. They have S-400s yet they let the US/Turkey/Israel bomb at will even advertently their own citizens apparently.

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 19:30
by mixelflick
marsavian wrote:I suspect they are just kicking the tyres on its sensor suites in a combat area. They are not in air combat with anyone in Syria just strike operations. They have S-400s yet they let the US/Turkey/Israel bomb at will even advertently their own citizens apparently.


It's possible that's what triggered this. The Russians desperately need to save face, and their vaunted SU-35's and S-400 were nowhere to be found when that bombing occurred. So in order to look (better), they need to up their game. The world at large isn't aware the SU-57 exists in prototype form only, and there are just a handful at that.

The great unwashed masses just read CNN's headline, "Russia's most advanced stealth fighter arrives in Syria"... I can only imagine they think it's invisible, combat tested and stamped out by the thousands...

Re: SU-57 deployed to Syria

Unread postPosted: 24 Feb 2018, 20:42
by tsl256