SU-57 deployed to Syria

So what is the alternative... hide here in your F-16.net/CNN echo chamber? In an environment where those who know know and everyone else is a spy, wild speculation is the only fun that is left.

The difference between wild speculation and an educated guess is that one of them sounds like a fairy tale and the other is supported with a solid hypothesis.

At F-16.net you can always make an educated guess that forms into a healthy discussion.

I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously.

In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35...

TOVERIIIIIIIIIII !!!!!

You forgot that in APA's world, they can dodge the F-35's AMRAAMs, while simultaneously engage the F-35s from significant range, and then close in for superior WVR kills.

Russians went home after they saw that the US was actually USING the F-22.

"Damm, the thing exists, and it does exactly what it says in the folder?"
"Damm.........."

Russians went home after they saw that the US was actually USING the F-22.

"Damm, the thing exists, and it does exactly what it says in the folder?"
"Damm.........."

Honestly, I think there has to be lots of Russian 5th gen envy. Most obvious is the U.S., with small numbers of a deployed superfighter that puts everything else to shame. They're crowing a lot about their shiny new SU-35's, but they have to be realists too. It won't last long against the F-22. And now there are F-35's in theatre, which puts their vaunted S-300/400 SAM systems at risk. That too, poses an extreme risk to their SU-30's and 35's.

On their border, the Chinese have declared their J-20 IOC. While this may not be a truly combat capable bird yet, it's apparently a lot further along than their SU-57. The J-31 isn't far behind, and if it turns out to be even LO (if not VLO) and affordable, doesn't bode well for their Flanker exports. Even if the SU-57 became a mature design, how many countries could afford it? The Indians might be able to, but by all accounts they're panning it.

So I think they have a lot of 5th gen envy, and someone in Russia with the benefit of hindsight is probably kicking themselves for not running with a cheaper, more capable LO/VLO design vs. the SU-57. MIG is supposed to be working on one, but seems all but incapable. Sukhoi could start over with a clean sheet design from scratch, but that's unlikely. It will be at least another 5 years before the SU-57 bugs are ironed out, perhaps 10.

At which point F-35 costs will be circa 80 million, the aircraft will have matured and at least a half dozen countries will be flying and fighting with a 5th gen mentality. It isn't looking very pretty for them...

In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35...

Ironically, the A/A combat load in Syria for the Su-30/35 is only 6 AAM.

I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously.

In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35...

I don't know what is old Su-27M top speed in this configuration but Cobra isn't problem with heavy missile load:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsyMUAfh6fg

Su-35S would do that easier.

I guarantee that no f-35 will ever pull 9g's, achieve mach 1.6, carry 18,000lbs of weapons, and be carrier capable simultaneously.

In APA world Su-27 derivatives can fly at Mach 1.8+, 50,000ft+ and carry 12 AAMs while simultaneously doing Cobras and Kulbits, so why not F-35...

I don't know what is old Su-27M top speed in this configuration but Cobra isn't problem with heavy missile load:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsyMUAfh6fg

Su-35S would do that easier.

Sure, but they are not doing those while flying at high supersonic speed at high altitude. Even heavy air-to-air missile load doesn't affect slow speed maneuverability that much. Super Hornet has also shown very nice airshow maneuvers in pretty heavy missile loads.

Elections are very close so be ready to hear more propaganda from state media.

I hear they think that Putin might win.

Stoopid Americans only ever get two choices for president, they say.

xaxaxa, in glorious Soviet Russia you only need one!

When your choices are hillary or trump two choices is not enough. When Putin is your choice one is all you need...

So now that the SU-57 is back home, what have they gained?

Such a brief publicity stunt fooled no one, least of which India? I rather doubt 2 days is/was long enough to evaluate her radar and other systems. I mean ok, you flew it there and back. Is 2 days enough of a window to accomplish... anything?

You could see whether or not your systems can detect any of the F-22s flying around. Just a checkbox item.

Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?

maybe just a deployment to test if the nav system crashes when they change time zones...

Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?

Maybe its testing for a response from the US side.

EG: if we move towards AWACS A, how close can we get before interceptors to react?

It's also possible that the answer they got was: oh crap that was Hellas fast! Better retreat to the motherland!

maybe just a deployment to test if the nav system crashes when they change time zones...

Su57 has a nav system? ... Garmin BushWalker?

Since it has Su-35's radar, why not just do it with them?

No it does not, Su-57 prototypes are flying around with N036 Byelka AESA.