F-15EX

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Unread post11 May 2021, 15:33

weasel1962 wrote:China's flankers have been spotted with EO targeting pods.
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IRST is standard fit. Combined with AESA, HMS and datalinks, there is evidence of sensor management. To what extent the data is fused is unclear. 360 degrees EODAS? I don't think so but that doesn't mean they aren't going in the direction the F35 has pointed out for them.

I'd be more concerned with their level of AI enabling. Its one thing fighting 2nd rate pilots, its another fighting AI. AI is also something that applies to the F-15EX. Is computing an area China is lacking?


The pods might get them closer to an EOTS capability, but that's a far different thing than the EODAS.
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Unread post11 May 2021, 15:36

madrat wrote:J-11 has been seen in the wild with sensors fitted to the airframe rather than on pods. J-11, J-15, and J-16 developments are all by the same design house. The Sino- Wild Weasel kits have been seen on both PLAN and PLAAF birds. The Chinese are not sitting on their thumbs.

MLD/MAWS aren't the same thing as EODAS, though.
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Unread post11 May 2021, 19:21

You seem to be stuck that someone suggest they are.
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Unread post11 May 2021, 20:55

madrat wrote:You seem to be stuck that someone suggest they are.

"Chinese clones of the Flanker already display operational MAWS/EODAS clones and the complete integration of EW components with podded enhancements to increase their capabilities."
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Unread post11 May 2021, 22:04

Clones does not suggest parity with originals.
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Unread post12 May 2021, 07:06

Wow... if they fly it like this, I'll be impressed. Without access to wind tunnel or CFD results, I cringe at the apparent negative angle of attack that rear missile would seem to be enduring, and can only imagine the loads that munition attach rack must endure up around 0.8 Mach, or the buffeting... Yikes. If they can pull that trick off, I'll be impressed.

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Unread post12 May 2021, 09:49

steve2267 wrote:Wow... if they fly it like this, I'll be impressed. Without access to wind tunnel or CFD results, I cringe at the apparent negative angle of attack that rear missile would seem to be enduring, and can only imagine the loads that munition attach rack must endure up around 0.8 Mach, or the buffeting... Yikes. If they can pull that trick off, I'll be impressed.

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Personally, I have my doubt the testing will be favorable. Plus, even it is was the odds of actually carrying such a load under combat conditions is low....

Remember, the inner wing pylons are usually needed for external fuel. :wink:
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Unread post12 May 2021, 14:07

steve2267 wrote:Wow... if they fly it like this, I'll be impressed.

They flew with GBU-10s like that. My question is why isn't there one on the front pylon? clearance issues with the TPod?

Corsair is right though, the wing pylons have always been used for fuel in every operation load I have ever seen.
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Unread post12 May 2021, 14:36

Yeah, first thought I had when seeing this was... it looks like it's half off the pylon already. Throw in some higher mach numbers, significant g forces or a hard landing and.... oops.

Also reminded me of one of the first models I built. It was an F-16, and instead of putting the bombs on her underwing pylons I just glued them to the wing/fuselage wherever there was room. This then, looked familiar :mrgreen:
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Unread post12 May 2021, 18:32

It looks like that Strike Eagle is toting heavy suit cases lol; like running a marathon with both hands full of heavy suit cases.

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Unread post12 May 2021, 21:41

An F-15E Strike Eagle loaded with five JASSMs at Eglin Air Force Base, on May 11, 2021, as part of Project Strike Rodeo.

https://nativenewspost.com/news/automob ... irst-time/

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Unread post12 May 2021, 22:55

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Corsair is right though, the wing pylons have always been used for fuel in every operation load I have ever seen.


Not always. In the 90s/2000s, F-15E were sometimes flying on operations with an asymmetric loadout that consisted of a GBU-15 or AGM-130 on a wing pylon and a drop tank on the other side.

More recently, a Mudhen was seen carrying no less than 7x BLU-109 :shock: during OIR as can be seen in the video below at 2:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URN-5MSWuR0
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Unread post12 May 2021, 23:41

Tiger05 wrote:
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Corsair is right though, the wing pylons have always been used for fuel in every operation load I have ever seen.


Not always. In the 90s/2000s, F-15E were sometimes flying on operations with an asymmetric loadout that consisted of a GBU-15 or AGM-130 on a wing pylon and a drop tank on the other side.

More recently, a Mudhen was seen carrying no less than 7x BLU-109 :shock: during OIR as can be seen in the video below at 2:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URN-5MSWuR0


Rarely, do fighters carry such heavy loads. As the range and performance penalties are to high........ :?
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Unread post13 May 2021, 00:21

Corsair1963 wrote:
Tiger05 wrote:
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Corsair is right though, the wing pylons have always been used for fuel in every operation load I have ever seen.


Not always. In the 90s/2000s, F-15E were sometimes flying on operations with an asymmetric loadout that consisted of a GBU-15 or AGM-130 on a wing pylon and a drop tank on the other side.

More recently, a Mudhen was seen carrying no less than 7x BLU-109 :shock: during OIR as can be seen in the video below at 2:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URN-5MSWuR0


Rarely, do fighters carry such heavy loads. As the range and performance penalties are to high........ :?

This is true, but A2AD represents rare missions, followed by typical missions.
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