strykerxo wrote:, it makes sense not to "put all your eggs in one basket" (F-35)
Yeah but we don't even with F-35s. The US Military is the largest, most powerful, and most expensive in the world. The eggs in one basket thing is a joke. We are talking about necking down from F-16s and Legacy F-18 and Harrier and Prowler, to "only":
Super Hornet
Growler
F-15EX
F-22
A bevy of teen fighters that won't start really going away until the 2030s.
F-15E's until 2040
The f**king A-10
and finally our "one and only basket" F-35s of THREE variants.
We have Adversary/aggressor forces alone that dwarf a lot of the worlds air forces. but we are always "poor" always stuck with "only" a half dozen plus fighter types. barely scraping by with 700+ billion annual budgets for nearly 20 years straight. I swear the place is falling apart... hey lets start a new fighter program! And this time it will save for real! not like the other dozen times.
and If this stupidity comes to fruition, a "Gen 4.5 plus/5th gen minus" fighter that won't show up for ten years, and won't start "saving money" for 20. The US has more depth than a lot of nations by a wide mile.
The eggs in one basket thing is ridiculous, and theres no point in "spreading baskets" if you then never have enough anyway. so I want 5 one egg baskets? or at one point do I want one that carries 15? Risk assessment and efficiency is always fun.
Oscar: Look, it doesn’t take a genius to know that any organization thrives when it has two leaders. Go ahead, name a country that doesn’t have two presidents. A boat that sets sail without two captains. Where would Catholicism be without the popes?The "all the eggs in one basket" argument that I've seen countless time is ridiculous. All over the internet I've seen nations with just one type of fighter aircraft already (Like Canada with CF-18 or Norway and Belgium with F-16) whine about eggs in one basket.
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They already do that. No if they want to, in todays retarded business/military sloganeering, "diversify their combat portfolio" by all means they can buy more airplanes and I encourage them to! Then the second that comes up they suddenly "remember" they're "poor". Dont put them all in obe basket... unless of course you are too cheap to buy more baskets, in which case they need to carry all the eggs.
I strongly encourage everyone to go full Australia: Buy tankers, Wedgetails, F-35s, SH, Growlers. Go nuts. Enjoy the bill.
my favorite was some half drunk on BF4C who said that the F-35 was bad because its dumb to "put all the eggs in one basket" with a single type replacement, and he preferred the Rafale, Which of course is replacing no less than SIX other "baskets" in France (all the mirage types plus the navy's super etendard) every fighter in the French inventory navy and air force, with just one type "basket"-- the Rafale.
“I have a degree in engineering; it’s all about numbers and facts … That’s what I expect from the Air Staff, don’t give me emotion, bring me the facts.”
no its not LOL I can't tell if hes lying or naive to the point of absurdity. The issue has never been "engineering" F-22 and F-35 are marvels of engineering. The problem is beurcracy, testing, politics, and funding among other things. We had X-35 demonstrating hover with the STOVL lift fan in 2001. And if you read the pressers back then it was all extremely promising and high tech and awesome. if it was a matter of making a working prototype, this is easy and already perfected. Hes talking about "solutions" for problems, that don't exist. The issue is not getting from the airplane from "paper to sky" the issue is that is not the finish line but only the beginning. Lacing up your shoes is the easiest part of the Marathon.
Wheres the "engineering" solution to the DOT&E? GAO? and any number of the dozens of "oversight" agencies who are designed to slow everything to a crawl and subvert constantly? oh and this is before the contractor disputes... hey there guy, we need a chance to compete!! You can't just give a contract to that other company for billions! we need to talk this out! Even the F-15EX ran into the PW vs GE motor fight. Whoa whoa there, bud. You can't just build something and put it into service! F-35 should have been sole sourced. The X-32 did nothing, and X-35 verified the original concept from the start-- but at least it wasted 3 years.
The issue is not the engineering of the airplane, the issue is the system that impairs progress in getting it into combat service. a full quarter of the JSF program's time is spent just filing reports. 1 in every 4 days of the JSF program is purely paperwork.
its not a f**king engineering problem...
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