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Unread post11 Sep 2007, 22:50

So consider a situation where a couple of non-stealth but modern fighters (F15c or equivalent block F-16) are in a 3 plane group and heading against hostiles. Is it true that the leading ac (assuming no AWACS), will be the only one with the radar on? Is it true that the two trailing ac will have their radars turned off (to avoid detection) but will be getting radar info from the lead ac via data-link? Thus, even if the lead ac is targeted, the back two can get off long range bvr shots and escape detection?
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Unread post12 Sep 2007, 06:02

TACOPSEC..... :whistle:
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Unread post12 Sep 2007, 06:46

Link - how dare you say anything :wink: !
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Unread post12 Sep 2007, 07:07

I don’t think you will find many that will talk about such things, most that do are posers, speculators, or possibly people feeding you misinformation deliberately. ;)
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Unread post12 Sep 2007, 22:13

Ah, point taken- won't be asking as many radar questions anymore :)
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Unread post12 Sep 2007, 22:13

Ah, point taken- won't be asking as many radar questions anymore :)
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Unread post13 Sep 2007, 03:57

Salute!

What makes you think anyone in the formation will have any radar on?

Go look at the 60's USAF interceptors, and the 70's ones, and another clue - the Tomcat, Fulcrum, etc.

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Unread post13 Sep 2007, 21:28

Gums,

I was just assuming that one radar would atleast be on because this situation did not allow for ground controlled radar intercept and also assumes no awacs or UAV that is data-linking radar info to the three ship formation. In a real world situation, none of the three jets would have their radars on to avoid detection;however, they would be recieving info from some external source.

How would they be able to get target acquistion if they were no external means to feed radar info(unless they flashed their radar on and off)?

I don't know how applicable this is to real life scenarios- maybe mock dogfights or air-excercises with certrain "rules". I am just an enthusiast so I don't know an iota about the real life operational info on dogfights.

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Unread post14 Sep 2007, 09:20

a1rao,

Just a quick note here :wink: . I can see you're new and probably don't know what not to ask. It's OK - you'll learn over time what people can and will talk about and what they can't and won't talk about just like I did :) .

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Unread post14 Sep 2007, 12:25

Sweden uses this tactic for the jas 39 ,but the datalink from the jas 39 it`s something else.Besides i dont like the jas 39... :)
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Unread post14 Sep 2007, 18:24

parrothead wrote:I can see you're new and probably don't know what not to ask. It's OK - you'll learn over time what people can and will talk about and what they can't and won't talk about just like I did :) .

Hope to see you around the boards :thumb: !

Some of us old-timers even have difficulty sometimes knowing what is appropriate to talk about. There has been many things I have been told are classified, just to see them a decade later in public print, TV or in some movie. Often I have mixed feelings; sometimes I'm glad that things are public so I can feel free to talk about them, but there are also many times that I feel angry that so many things are so public and that it is a risk to our national security. Sometimes I feel a little burned after biting my lip for decades, that the information was suddenly made public without any apparent notification. I am also sometimes aggravated at how the information is released, often it is weaseled out by reporters and courts in a manner that I often consider a risk to our national security. There has even been a few times I have been asked to shut up.

Even when I was a kid, I was once whisked away and interrogated on an elementary school tour of a secure facility when I challenged and contradicted the tour guides information. I think I either embarrassed the tour guide or was punching holes in their cover story, so I aroused their suspicion. I was asked not to contradict the guide or to publicly speculate as much, I think they also were a little suspicious I might be an elementary school spy, as much as I knew and was able to deduce. ;)

Sadly I don't think they challenge people as much or as often as they used to because of political correctness. I think national security should come first, and political correctness comes second. It was a little scary and intimidating to be whisked away and interrogated, however I realize they had their reasons, and it also was comforting that they took security so seriously, yet they treated me fairly and respectfully in my opinion. Sadly but probably wisely many of these facilities no longer offer tours to children.
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Unread post14 Sep 2007, 21:31

Parrot,

Yea- I am slowly getting the feel for what to ask and what not to ask. I am a very curious person by nature. Don't mean to offend or annoy anyone with my questions. Hope to see/engage in discussions with you sometime soon.


Cad, how come you dont like the Jas-39 :(

ATFS,

Also had a similar experience. Visited a secure base in another country and wanted to take pics but was not allowed. Probably for the best. For example, some of the strictest measures are undertaken by the Israeli Air force. Apparently, US service men during joint training are not allowed to even inspect a C-130 transport without being escorted by IAF personnel.
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Unread post15 Sep 2007, 06:12

Salute!

Tink it would be nice to see a1rao's profile completed - very scant, and I am getting more and more curious about the trend of his questions and assertions on this thread and some others.

tap, tap, tap Parrot-breath

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Unread post22 Oct 2007, 17:49

Cad, how come you dont like the Jas-39 ?

Because this is the jet that we probably going to use here in Romania. ( budget concerns)
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Unread post22 Oct 2007, 19:30

Gums wrote:Salute!

Tink it would be nice to see a1rao's profile completed - very scant, and I am getting more and more curious about the trend of his questions and assertions on this thread and some others.

tap, tap, tap Parrot-breath

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