Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) "Desi"

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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 09:02

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Defence ministry to seek Cabinet nod for prototype of desi stealth jet

Rajat Pandit | TNN

Updated: Oct 29, 2019, 9:12 IST

... NEW DELHI: With the IAF now fully backing the indigenous development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), it’s all systems go for the desi stealth jet. The defence establishment plans to seek the Cabinet Committee on Security’s approval for the detailed design and prototype development of the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) by early next year. The twin-engine AMCA will basically combine advanced stealth, supercruise (the capability to achieve supersonic cruise speeds without the use of afterburners), super-manoeuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration with AESA (active electronically scanned array) radars.

Development of a FGFA is an extremely complex and costly affair, with the American F/A-22 Raptors and F-35 Lightning-II Joint Strike Fighters being the only fully-operational ones around the globe at present. “Both the Chinese J-20 and the Russian Sukhoi PAK-FA do not have the requisite super-cruise and stealth capabilities,” said a senior IAF officer.

DRDO, in turn, rejects widespread concern the developmental saga of the “swing-role” AMCA may go the same way as the long-delayed Tejas light combat aircraft. “The design work on AMCA began in 2009. By 2014-2015, the fighter’s configuration, in tune with IAF requirements, had been worked out. But the problem was that there was no engine,” said a scientist. Consequently, the decision has now been taken to go in for two squadrons of AMCA Mark-I with the “available” General Electric-414 afterburning turbofan engine in the 98 Kilonewton thrust class.

The next five to six squadrons of AMCA Mark-II will have a more powerful 110 Kilonewton engine, which will be developed indigenously with foreign collaboration parallelly. The supercruise of Mark-I will be slightly limited due to the older engine but it will be upgraded in Mark-II,” said a source. After the Rs 400 crore design sanction for AMCA in December 2018, it will now take “another seven to eight months” for the nod for the prototype development phase at a cost of around Rs 7,000-8,000 crore, which will be required over a decade, said sources.

As per existing plans, the 25-tonne AMCA’s “roll-out from the hangar to the runway” will take place by 2024-2025, with the first test-flight a year after that. “By 2029, the clearance to begin production of AMCA Mark-I should come. Mark-II production, in turn, should begin by 2035,” said the source. DRDO says the advanced technologies to make AMCA a stealth fighter range from “serpentine air-intake” and an internal weapon bay (internal carriage of smart weapons) to radar absorbing materials and conformal antennae. “Most of the designing for stealth shaping of AMCA has already been done,” he said.

The plan is to produce the single-engine Tejas in greater numbers, with the IAF already committed to acquiring 123 of them. Another 200 Tejas Mark-II, with more powerful engines and advanced avionics, will be inducted at a later stage. “The first test-flight of Tejas Mark-II or the MWF (medium weight fighter) should take place by 2023. The specialised AMCA, which will cost double the Tejas Mark-II, will be inducted in smaller numbers ... stealth aircraft are expensive,” said the source.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 798166.cms


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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 09:16

The AMCA is doomed for failure....just repeating the same mistakes as the LCA. (Tejas) Honestly, have my doubts that it will ever reach production.



Yet, it at least allows the "dreamers" to keep dreaming... :?
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Unread post30 Oct 2019, 12:58

Nobody is going to design that engine.

They just specified an F100-class engine built for supercruise. May as well said 160 kN so they could fail and go with F135.
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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 07:14

Looks like the AMCA will happen. The new IAF chief has been pushing for the AMCA to happen since taking over this month so there's a bit of impetus.

Dropping the indigenous engine upfront makes the difference. Once the Tejas dropped the Kaveri, the Mk 1 could fly. They've had F414 engines to play around with. The weight objective is aggressive (so was the Tejas) but twin F414 provides sufficient power that they can afford a slightly overweight fighter. The AMCA will come after the Tejas Mk 2 which means they would already have designed out the issues with the single jet before moving to the twin jet. The Indians are learning from the earlier mistakes made with the Tejas.

The rest of the aircraft is not prohibitive from a development standpoint. External radar, avionics (with some local content) would speed up the process.

10 years in Indian time is 15-20 years in Earth time. We'll see the AMCA Mk I maybe circa 2035 but I keep open the possibility of being surprised.
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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 08:36

I have my doubts about that. At least ever entering production.... :?


Let's see they haven't even constructed a single prototype, they can't make the LCA work after decades of development, and their history on delivering on time is "abysmal"....

Also, let's not forget the AMCA is a 5th Generation Fighter. Which, means by time it enters service in 20+ years (optimistic). Other nations will about to field 6th Generation Types. (PCA, F/A-XX, Tempest, FCAS, etc.)

Sounds like they're repeating the same mistakes as the LCA (Tejas) to me.... :|

Oh, and add the LCA MK II to the list. As the Indian Government hasn't even ordered the MK IA. Let alone given the go ahead for the MK II. Which, is basically a new "airplane". So, what we going to wait another 10-20 years for that...
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Unread post31 Oct 2019, 08:43

What India could do is develop the AMCA as a "Demonstrator" like Japan did with the X-2. (formerly ATD-X) Then join with a partner or partners to "jointly" develop a future 6th Generation Fighter.



In the short term the F-35 is honestly the only viable option....


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