Europe’s fighter jets of the future on collision course?

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Unread post29 Oct 2019, 06:36

Europe’s fighter jets of the future on collision course?

By Alexandra Brzozowski | EURACTIV.com

‎Oct‎ ‎28‎, ‎2019

The European defense market is looking towards two sixth-generation aircraft programs – the Franco-German-Spanish Future Combat Aircraft System (FCAS) and the British-led Tempest fighter project. While pressure is mounting on EU member states to pick sides, the question of whether both projects can ultimately coexist remains.

In May, spectators at the Paris Air Show watched Germany, France and Spain ink a framework agreement for the joint construction of Europe’s largest arms project to date, the so-called Future Air Combat System (FCAS).

Dassault Aviation and Airbus are set to build the new fighter jet, while France’s Safran and Germany’s MTU Aero Engines will jointly develop the new warplane’s engine.

While Paris and Berlin want the first flight of the prototype in around 2026, the new fighter jet is only expected to take to the skies from 2040, with a view to replacing the French Rafale and Germany’s Eurofighter Typhoon.

The UK, meanwhile, is developing the Tempest stealth fighter project, in which Sweden and, recently, Italy joined forces, while the Dutch have also expressed considerable interest.

BAE Systems, Britain’s biggest defense company, UK engine maker Rolls-Royce, and the UK arms of Italian defense firm Leonardo and European missile maker MBDA have been working on the development of Tempest.

Although France reportedly had explored the prospect of working with Britain on the project, Brexit and strategic acquisition decisions in the past months have laid bare European divisions and deepening skepticism about the future of European defense cooperation.

In March, a paper published by the Italian think tank Instituto Affari Internazionali (IAI) argued that the Tempest project “should in the midterm merge with the Franco-German project for the benefit of European defense and strategic autonomy.”

European companies face much bigger American rivals, such as Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics, underscored by the mega-merger of Raytheon and United Technologies (UTC) announced earlier this year.

While there is high interest in Lockheed Martin’s F-35 fighter jet among European NATO partners such as Poland and Belgium, critics called it “very bad news” for efforts to reduce Europe’s reliance on US equipment and develop a more autonomous EU defense strategy, which got a boost after Brexit and Donald Trump’s election as US president.

Fragmentation vs common approach

For a fragmented European defense market, having only two competing projects still represents an improvement on the 1990s, when France opted for a national solution with Rafale, Sweden with Gripen, and Germany decided not to invest in this field at all, said Alessandro Marrone, head of the defense program at IAI in Rome.

“It is because of this negative fragmentation among Europeans, countries like UK, Italy, Netherlands, Norway and Denmark joined the US-led program to develop the F-35 as 5th generation fighter,” he told EURACTIV.

Although they have so far not been considered under an either-or-scenario, the expert believes it would be hard for Europe to afford more than one program for a sixth-generation aircraft in the current industry environment and a potential convergence between the two program would benefit the European defense industry.

“It requires France to abandon the idea of a purely bilateral direction of this cooperative effort with Germany, and open a strategic negotiation with UK, Italy and Sweden, so that the six European countries with the greatest military and industrial resources can pool efforts on a fair basis,” he said, adding that something similar had been already done in the 1980s by Berlin, London, Rome and Madrid with the Eurofighter project.

From an economic perspective, having two competing projects in Europe is not rational. In fact, most of the different partners involved in both projects are trying to secure a piece of the pie for their national industrial champions,” agreed Victor Mahieu, a defense analyst at Beyond the Horizon think tank in Brussels.

Despite French President Emmanuel Macron’s announcements to pursue the idea of a common approach to the bloc’s security and defense policy, at the moment, he is not really walking the talk.

“The current split among member states tells us that Paris thinks that strategic defense industrial cooperation can be led bilaterally with Berlin, but this does not turn into a really European cooperation because other important countries like Italy and Sweden can find better alternatives,” Marrone told EURACTIV.

Asked earlier last month by Defense News whether a future with two such programs is sustainable, the chief executive of the European Defense Agency, Jorge Domecq, said: “Europe would probably have to see convergence toward having a single system of systems.”

“Is the next generation of combat aircraft sustainable with several systems of systems in Europe? I have my doubts,” he added.

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Unread post04 Dec 2019, 05:55

Major step forward for engine of next generation fighter jet

Safran and MTU have agreed the details of their partnership to develop the engine of the FCAS (Future Combat Air System) sixth generation fighter jet.

This industrial agreement relies on the principles of the letter of intent signed between the two companies in February, which specifies that Safran will take the lead in engine design and integration, and MTU Aero Engines will take the lead in engine services.

In the framework of the contractual scheme defined by France and Germany, Safran Aircraft Engines will be the prime contractor and MTU Aero Engines the main partner for the first phase of research and technology (Phase 1A).

The two partners also agreed on the foundation of a 50/50 joint venture that will be incorporated by the end of 2021 to manage the development, the production and the after-sales support activities of the new engine that will power the next-generation fighter aircraft (NGF).

“This agreement is a major step forward, which reflects Safran Aircraft Engines and MTU Aero Engines’ willingness to ensure a strong and effective management of the program relying on a balanced partnership and clear accountabilities,” stated Olivier Andriès, CEO of Safran Aircraft Engines, and Michael Schreyögg, chief program officer of MTU Aero Engines. “Safran and MTU are committed to supply the Forces with an innovative engine architecture which will be a key asset of their operational performances.”

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Unread post04 Dec 2019, 05:56

Sadly, nothing on the specifics of the design???
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Unread post04 Dec 2019, 11:24

They tried to get something "European - International" going with the Tornado.
We all know how that ended.

Then they again tried to get something going but that split into Rafale and Tiffy.

And now even with a Brexit knocking on the door? ? ? ?
They want to try gain?

Global warming is a proven fact, but I feel freezing temperatures here.

Never will ANY European initiative become "standard".
You can take that as a fact.
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Let us start by something simple and easy; Bolt size ; Metric or Imperial.
Too difficult?

OK, try this for a change. Drive on the left or right side of the road?

Still too difficult? Damm.

Try to get anything close to a "standard" railroad track with.

And you know what? ? => => => All countries signed the exact same documents.
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Unread post05 Dec 2019, 03:28

So, the "Million Dollar Question" has to be. Will the Safran / MTU Engine be a traditional Turbofan or a Adaptive Cycle Engine???
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Unread post05 Dec 2019, 03:58

Adaptive

viewtopic.php?p=417305#p417305
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... ghter.html

The engine should also have a variable cycle—in other words, it should be able to adjust the ratio between the primary and secondary air flows—and have an adjustable nozzle to make the aircraft easier to handle.
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Unread post05 Dec 2019, 05:51

marsavian wrote:Adaptive

viewtopic.php?p=417305#p417305
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... ghter.html

The engine should also have a variable cycle—in other words, it should be able to adjust the ratio between the primary and secondary air flows—and have an adjustable nozzle to make the aircraft easier to handle.



Yes, I know as I posted that source. Yet, the story was fairly vague and words like "should" create some doubt. If, the design will or will not have some features.
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Unread post05 Dec 2019, 23:47

Engines... Brings back memories.

Long time ago I flew against Mirage 2000 and always asked myself ; What if that Mirage 2000 would have had a P&W or GE engine?

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