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Unread post20 Jul 2017, 00:46

Long article, best read at source.

Textron, Sierra Nevada prep for OA-X experiment at US Air Force base
By: Valerie Insinna, July 19, 2017

WASHINGTON — Participants in the U.S. Air Force’s light-attack aircraft experiment are revving up training activities ahead of the beginning of the exercise next month at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico.

So far, two companies have disclosed that they are taking part in the experiment, which will help the Air Force decide whether to start an OA-X program of record. Textron is bringing its Scorpion jet and the AT-6 Wolverine turboprop, while Sierra Nevada Corporation and Embraer have partnered up to offer the A-29 Super Tucano.

Both companies are already on the ground at Holloman and are preparing for the experiment to start on July 31, executives from both Sierra Nevada and Textron told Defense News in interviews earlier this month.

Sierra Nevada, or SNC, began training two Air Force pilots and two weapons systems officers to operate the aircraft on July 7. While the company will maintain the A-29 during its stay at Holloman, it will also provide some instruction to Air Force maintainers during the exercise, allowing them to weigh in on how easy it is to sustain the aircraft, said Taco Gilbert, SNC’s senior vice president for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

Textron arrived with its AT-6 on July 9, and a group of instructor pilots and logistics, maintenance and support personnel are on the ground conducting training, said Bill Harris, the company’s vice president of Scorpion jet sales. A Textron spokeswoman has since confirmed that Air Force pilots have already started flying the aircraft.

Once training has wrapped up, the companies will hand the aircraft over to Air Force operators, who will put the planes through their paces in a series of flight tests. Over the four- to six-week experimentation period, Air Force crews will fly the planes in a number of missions and operational conditions — with ISR capability, operations with night vision gear, weapons employment, unimproved field operations, and aircraft handling all under evaluation...

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/tex ... force-base
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Unread post01 Aug 2017, 00:38

Air Tractor and L3 join OA-X experiment with the AT-802L Longsword

WASHINGTON— The Air Force kicked off a demonstration of light attack aircraft on Monday as two companies — L3 and Air Tractor — made a last-minute announcement that they would participate in the experiment.

The announcement injects a fourth aircraft into the Air Force’s OA-X demo at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico. L3 and Air Tractor will put forward the AT-802L Longsword, the companies stated in a press release.

The A-29, built by Sierra Nevada Corp. and Embraer, and two Textron aircraft — the Scorpion jet and Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine — will also fly...

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/07 ... longsword/
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Unread post27 Sep 2017, 16:13

USAF Preparing To Send Light Attack Contenders To Combat
Sep 26, 2017

The U.S. Air Force is moving forward with preparations to take two off-the-shelf light attack turboprop aircraft downrange to fight terrorists next year.

Preparations for the combat demonstration, called Combat Dragon III, are notably far along—especially since Air Force leadership has not yet made a final decision on whether to move forward with the exercise. The Air Force has picked a squadron commander, a designation, and a total detachment size of about 70 people, said Air Force Reserve Col. Mike Pietrucha, light attack adviser to Air Combat Command (ACC).

The service has decided to take four total aircraft downrange—two each of the Embraer/Sierra Nevada Corp. A-29 Super Tucano and Textron’s AT-6 Wolverine, Pietrucha said...

Combat Dragon III would be the next step toward a program of record. To man the squadron, the Air Force is pulling airmen from operational squadrons and the air staff, Pietrucha said. The criteria for aircrew are the same as they were for the Holloman demonstration: 1,000 flight hours, time in fighter or attack aircraft, previous or current instructor qualification and combat experience.

At least one partner nation is interested in participating, Pietrucha said.

The combat experiment would take place in U.S. Central Command’s area of responsibility, but where in the region would be decided by the commander of U.S. Air Forces Central Command, Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian. The aircraft would be destroying targets in support of U.S. and coalition forces, just like any other assets in the region, Pietrucha said.

“We expect these aircraft to act like any other fighter attack aircraft that we deploy, a flexible air asset that’s assigned based on what the Combined Forces Air Component commander needs to assign in order to support the operations that are going on,” he said.

The Air Force has not yet decided where the combat demo would take place, but has ruled out several options. For example, the aircraft would not operate out of Al-Udeid air base, Qatar, because the airfield is too far away. They also would not operate in areas where Russian air defenses are present, which rules out certain regions in Syria...

http://aviationweek.com/defense/usaf-pr ... 88cd30e69b
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Unread post27 Sep 2017, 18:13

No surprise there. I think I favor the AT-6, mostly for airframe commonality with the trainer fleet. The Scorpion, while a very neat aircraft, doesn't seem to fit any market niche particularly well.
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Unread post27 Sep 2017, 20:31

southernphantom wrote:No surprise there. I think I favor the AT-6, mostly for airframe commonality with the trainer fleet. The Scorpion, while a very neat aircraft, doesn't seem to fit any market niche particularly well.

I had considered posting this earlier, but since you mention it…
Light ISR: The Air Force’s next experiment?

“If you look at some of the airplanes we flew, there are airplanes that have kind of been built with great big internal bays where you could carry a whole variety of sensors, so it’s an intriguing possibility for Scorpion,” Holmes told reporters during a Sept. 18 roundtable at the Air Force Association’s annual conference.

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Unread post28 Sep 2017, 00:13

I don't really understand the idea of a "Light ISR" competition - what would a Scorpion do that an MQ-9 or Grey Eagle couldn't for the same price point?
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Unread post28 Sep 2017, 01:24

Dragon029 wrote:I don't really understand the idea of a "Light ISR" competition - what would a Scorpion do that an MQ-9 or Grey Eagle couldn't for the same price point?

The article said it would be cheaper than drones and be able to swap sensors, but other than that :shrug:
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Unread post28 Sep 2017, 01:38

It would be cheaper and faster than the drones. They do like a man plane.
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Unread post28 Sep 2017, 03:52

Dragon029 wrote:I don't really understand the idea of a "Light ISR" competition - what would a Scorpion do that an MQ-9 or Grey Eagle couldn't for the same price point?


Work in a comms-denied environment
Carry a larger warload
Go faster
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Unread post28 Sep 2017, 06:01

zerion wrote:Long article, best read at source.

Textron, Sierra Nevada prep for OA-X experiment at US Air Force base
By: Valerie Insinna, July 19, 2017

WASHINGTON — Participants in the U.S. Air Force’s light-attack aircraft experiment are revving up training activities ahead of the beginning of the exercise next month at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico.

So far, two companies have disclosed that they are taking part in the experiment, which will help the Air Force decide whether to start an OA-X program of record. Textron is bringing its Scorpion jet and the AT-6 Wolverine turboprop, while Sierra Nevada Corporation and Embraer have partnered up to offer the A-29 Super Tucano.

Both companies are already on the ground at Holloman and are preparing for the experiment to start on July 31, executives from both Sierra Nevada and Textron told Defense News in interviews earlier this month.

Sierra Nevada, or SNC, began training two Air Force pilots and two weapons systems officers to operate the aircraft on July 7. While the company will maintain the A-29 during its stay at Holloman, it will also provide some instruction to Air Force maintainers during the exercise, allowing them to weigh in on how easy it is to sustain the aircraft, said Taco Gilbert, SNC’s senior vice president for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

Textron arrived with its AT-6 on July 9, and a group of instructor pilots and logistics, maintenance and support personnel are on the ground conducting training, said Bill Harris, the company’s vice president of Scorpion jet sales. A Textron spokeswoman has since confirmed that Air Force pilots have already started flying the aircraft.

Once training has wrapped up, the companies will hand the aircraft over to Air Force operators, who will put the planes through their paces in a series of flight tests. Over the four- to six-week experimentation period, Air Force crews will fly the planes in a number of missions and operational conditions — with ISR capability, operations with <a title="Shopping Link Added by SkimWords" class="skimwords-link" href="http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=night+vision" target="_blank" data-skim-node-id="459:Oncetraininghaswrapp_1" occurrence="1" data-skim-product="1551389" data-skim-creative="300003" data-group-id="0" data-skimwords-word="night%20vision" data-skimlinks-editor="0" data-skimwords-id="1551389">night vision</a><span style="position: absolute;"></span><span style="position: absolute;"></span> gear, weapons employment, unimproved field operations, and aircraft handling all under evaluation...

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This whole effort should be halted immediately. Roll the USAF back under the Department of the Army, cut DOD civilian work force by half and then start over with this light attack crap. The customers are the troops on the ground, in the end. The zoomies with the pointy airplanes tend to forget that.
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Unread post29 Sep 2017, 00:23

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Unread post18 Oct 2017, 05:50

Saw this in Air and Space Magazine today.

Thinking Smaller, the Air Force Learns a Thing or Two

https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-plane ... 180965151/
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Unread post18 Oct 2017, 14:54

discofishing wrote:This whole effort should be halted immediately. Roll the USAF back under the Department of the Army, cut DOD civilian work force by half and then start over with this light attack crap. The customers are the troops on the ground, in the end. The zoomies with the pointy airplanes tend to forget that.



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Unread post14 Jun 2018, 15:54

Aero Vodochody and IAI pitch revamped L-159 for OA-X need

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -x-449391/

Better late than never I guess, but it's a long shot.

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