F-15X: USAF Seems Interested

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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:17

NO corruption. Pure and sole politics and on how to keep your voters happy.


Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, give everybody something to do, no lay-offs, and all voters happy.

Hey, same thing here in Europe where each state sponsors its own industry.

There is never anything new in politics and keeping the voters happy for the next round of elections.


Euh, WHAt, , , you thought it was about aircraft and quality, and cost? Bwahhhhhhh ! ! ! !
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:21

vilters wrote:NO corruption. Pure and sole politics and on how to keep your voters happy.


The SecDef isn't running for election. He is however a former Boeing executive. (You know, the maker of the F-15.)
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:26

Military do what politicians tell them to do. Period.

And for ALL politicians, worldwide, their voters ALWAYS come first.

All they have to do properly among themselves is cut up the cake so that everybody stays happy.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:34

sferrin wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Read today the F-15X will cost 80 million, and up to 125 million/copy when it's all said and done. And they want up to 144 of them..

I LOVE the Eagle, but this was the wrong decision for the country. Along with continuing to purchase Super Duper Hornets, this seems to be more about keeping 2 companies capable of pumping out fighters than anything else..

I'm sure the Chinese/Russians celebrated when they read this news.


They need to climb up the current SecDef's backside with a microscope. This is corruption at it's worst.



Honestly, this brick (F-15X) is going to land squarely on the head of Patrick Shanahan. Which, the Democrats are going to enjoy every minute of it....

They are already talking about holding hearings on how this all took place??? :wink:

As the OSD just doesn't say we are going to buy this or that....You have to make a case and get approval from Congress.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:42

lol.. what dreamworld do you live in?

And for ALL politicians, worldwide, their voters ALWAYS come first.


The people of Venezuela would like a word.
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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:50

Amid 737 Woes, Complaint Filed Against Shanahan for Allegedly Promoting Boeing
13 Mar 2019
Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk
A government ethics organization has filed a formal complaint asking the Defense Department Inspector General's Office to investigate Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan's ties to his former employer, Boeing Co. The group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), claims Shanahan violated ethics rules by promoting the company's interests at the Pentagon.

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Unread post13 Mar 2019, 23:54

We must remember the OSD (i.e. Patrick Shanahan) is pushing the F-15X. Not the USAF as they have said for years. That they want to focus on 5th Generation Fighters (F-35) and didn't want anymore new 4th Generation Fighters.


As a matter of fact the USAF Secretary (Heather Wilson) made that abundantly clear back in September.

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In an exclusive Sept. 5 interview, Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson said she believes the service needs to expend its precious financial resources on stealthy, fifth-generation platforms — specifically the F-35 — and thus buying even an advanced fourth generation fighter like the so-called F-15X is not in the cards.


"We are currently 80 percent fourth-gen aircraft and 20 percent fifth generation aircraft,” she said. "In any of the fights that we have been asked to plan for, more fifth gen aircraft make a huge difference, and we think that getting to 50-50 means not buying new fourth gen aircraft, it means continuing to increase the fifth generation.”
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SpudmanWP wrote:Amid 737 Woes, Complaint Filed Against Shanahan for Allegedly Promoting Boeing
13 Mar 2019
Military.com | By Oriana Pawlyk
A government ethics organization has filed a formal complaint asking the Defense Department Inspector General's Office to investigate Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan's ties to his former employer, Boeing Co. The group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), claims Shanahan violated ethics rules by promoting the company's interests at the Pentagon.

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https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... oeing.html


Yes, makes you wonder.....First, Boeing won the T-X and MQ-25A. Then the OSD pushes the F-15X on the USAF. Which, has made clear for years. That it wasn't interested in.... :?
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 00:07

Don't forget early retirement of Hornet classic, retirement of early Block SH, shipping SH to the Blue Angels, and buying a lot more SH now that they have a (self-induced) airframe crisis .... most of which happened after Shanahan joined the DoD.
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SpudmanWP wrote:lol.. what dreamworld do you live in?

And for ALL politicians, worldwide, their voters ALWAYS come first.


The people of Venezuela would like a word.



Ha, a good one. My statement does not apply to dictators (or dictator wannabe'ss)
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 00:45

vilters wrote:NO corruption. Pure and sole politics and on how to keep your voters happy.


Lockheed, Boeing, Northrop, give everybody something to do, no lay-offs, and all voters happy.

Hey, same thing here in Europe where each state sponsors its own industry.

There is never anything new in politics and keeping the voters happy for the next round of elections.


Euh, WHAt, , , you thought it was about aircraft and quality, and cost? Bwahhhhhhh ! ! ! !
Another one for the great book of Jokes.


We actually try to avoid the European model of jobs over actual military effectiveness here.
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SpudmanWP wrote:Don't forget early retirement of Hornet classic, retirement of early Block SH, shipping SH to the Blue Angels, and buying a lot more SH now that they have a (self-induced) airframe crisis .... most of which happened after Shanahan joined the DoD.



Honestly, the Trump Administration just handed the Democrats another bone..... :shock:
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 03:45

Sounds like fake news..
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Unread post14 Mar 2019, 06:29

March 13, 2019
Glenn A. Fine
Acting Inspector General
U.S. Department of Defense
4800 Mark Center Drive
Alexandria, VA 22350-1500
Re: Request for Investigation of Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan
Dear Acting Inspector General Fine:

According to news reports, during his tenure at the Department of Defense (“DoD”) Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan has made numerous statements promoting his former employer Boeing and has disparaged the company’s competitors before subordinates at the agency. Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (“CREW”) therefore respectfully requests that the Office of Inspector General investigate these allegations to determine whether Acting Secretary Shanahan violated ethics rules, including the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch (“Standards of Conduct”) and the Ethics Pledge he signed as a condition of his appointment.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/press ... ng-at-dod/


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One prominent example raised in news reports is DoD’s apparent recent decision to request new fighter planes from Boeing.14 According to Bloomberg, DoD made plans to request $1.2 billion for 12 Boeing F-15X fighter aircraft in its fiscal year 2020 budget request, a decision that reportedly was made “with some prodding” by Mr. Shanahan.15 Bloomberg subsequently reported that DoD would request eight F-15Xs in the 2020 budget request as part of a potential purchase of 80 F-15Xs over the next five years.16 However, “the Air Force has said it does not want” the aircraft, and “military experts seemed baffled by the F-15X decision,” arguing that the jet, unlike the F-35 fighter produced by Boeing competitor Lockheed Martin, “is ineffective against enemies like Russia and China” who have “sophisticated air defense technologies.”17 DoD’s fiscal year 2020 budget proposal ultimately included a request for eight updated models of Boeing’s older F-15 fighter jet at a cost of $1.1 billion.18

In addition to allegations that Mr. Shanahan advocated for his former employer Boeing, his “private remarks” at DoD have raised concerns that he may “harbor[] an unfair bias against other big military contractors” competing with Boeing for lucrative government contracts.19 In particular,

Mr. Shanahan allegedly criticized Lockheed Martin’s handling of the production of the F-35 fighter jet in meetings with subordinates.
According to public reports, Mr. Shanahan “repeatedly ‘dumped’ on the F-35 in meetings,” stated that the plane was “f---ed up,” and argued that Lockheed, which won the contract to build the plane over Boeing, “doesn’t know how to run a program.”20 Mr. Shanahan also allegedly stated that if Lockheed’s contract “had gone to Boeing, it would be done much better,” and “slammed” Lockheed CEO Marillyn Hewson.21 As one former official described Shanahan’s comments: “He would complain about Lockheed’s timing and their inability to deliver, and from a Boeing point of view, say things like, ‘We would never do that.’”22
Acting Secretary Shanahan is the first person to lead DoD since the 1950’s to “come purely from the private sector” and with “virtually no government or policy experience.”23 At Boeing, Mr. Shanahan was integral in helping the company win defense contracts and oversaw military programs including Boeing Missile Defense Systems and Boeing Rotorcraft Systems.24 Since Mr. Shanahan’s arrival at DoD, Boeing has been very successful in winning government contracts. For example, in December 2018, public reporting suggested a Boeing “takeover” at DoD, noting that “in the last six months, Boeing has won three multibillion-dollar competitions for major Department of Defense aircraft programs, despite massive delays in delivering a new tanker fleet to the U.S. Air Force.”25 Those Boeing contracts with the government included a $2.4 billion agreement with DoD to build Huey helicopters with another company, and beating out Lockheed Martin to win a $9.2 billion contract building training jets for the Air Force.26 Boeing also secured an $805 million deal to build aerial-refueling drones for the Navy.27 In early 2019, Boeing shares increased in value by 6.2 percent after the company beat quarterly earnings expectations and posted annual revenue of more than $100 billion for the first time ever.28

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