USCG database update

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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 16:09

Hi All,
Not sure if this has been discussed here or not, but seven USGC HC-130H aircraft were transferred to the U.S. Forest Service in exchange for former USAF C-27J's. The 130's will be modified for use as aerial firefighting tankers.
The aircraft include the following:
83-0505/CG1706
83-0507/CG1708. (Will be become USFS 116)
83-0508/CG1709
84-0482/CG1713
85-0031/CG1714
86-0422/CG1719
87-0157/CG1721 (first and only one currently in active USFS service, aircraft retains grey/white paint with USFS 118 in blaze orange on tail. Nose still retains "1721" and no civilian aircraft number)

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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 16:21

Thanks for posting this. It has not been discussed yet.
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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 16:31

Here is some information

http://fireaviation.com/tag/hc-130h/
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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 19:19

Are these planes to be outfitted as per the forest service "A" models with internal tanks & "bomb bay doors " or as per ANG AFRES paratroop door dispersal ?
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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 21:05

Currently tanker 118 is using the Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System (MAFFS) same used be USAF, ANG units. The others along with 118 will eventually be modified with a gravity tank dump system currently employed an Collson Aviation "Next Gen Tanker" T-131
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Unread post26 Aug 2015, 23:12

Who will be the operators ? For I was the Firefighters C-130 DER. in the "A " Model days.
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Unread post27 Aug 2015, 00:39

The USFS will own the aircraft, but I am not sure who is subcontracted to operate them. I know that both Dynacorp and DRS technologies are both hiring for Mx personel on them.
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Unread post27 Aug 2015, 02:14

I'm going update the database, but thinking of put these under Civilian owned for now.

Here is the history on HC-130H #5121 (87-0157)
http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/airframe-profile/7620/

It didn't have many hours on the airframe.
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Unread post28 Aug 2015, 00:30

DRS & Dyncorp are both contract Maintenance Houses. The USCG will probably have them perform a PDM or PSI-B inspection prior to release. This is DOD customary & the USCG is probably following suit.
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Unread post28 Aug 2015, 04:05

Actually part of the deal has the USCG giving (on paper) the C-130's to the Airforce in exchange for the C-27J that had purchased brand new by the USAF and directly delivered to the boneyard after the AF decided they did not want them. The AF would the perform a comprehensive PDM overhaul and de-militarization and no cost to the USFS or USCG.
The Coast Guard is converting the "free" C-27's into HC-27's to augment their HC-144 fleet.
Although what I have read on the job postings is that who ever is doing the day-to-day Mx will be relying initially on the USCG for support . Applicants should have general knowledge of coast guard Mx practices, technical data, computer systems. Since I am getting ready to retire from the AF soon and I have previous C-130 heavy Mx experience I am keeping my eyes and ears open for employment opportunities.
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Unread post28 Aug 2015, 19:56

Yeah ,I'm also interested in the engineering aspect . I am a C-130 Structures DER (FAA ) been working herks for 50 yrs all MDS except "J".
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Unread post23 Sep 2015, 12:11

saw this in an article "While the Forest Service and Coast Guard will jointly own and manage Tanker 118 until all of the necessary modifications are complete, the Forest Service has contracted with Consolidated Air Support Systems (CASS) of Temecula, California for aircrew services and with DRS Technologies of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma for maintenance. Tanker 118 will only fly wildfire suppression missions within 500 nautical miles of FSAS MCC so that it can return each night for maintenance by contract crews and support from Coast Guard crews". It's my understanding that DRS and others will perform the day to day maintenance, USCG will provide engineering support through DRS (as they currently do for the USCG active fleet). Not sure about PDM maintenance since the aircraft will now have civilian call #s etc and likely FAA requirements...not sure if military depots (E-City, WR-ALC etc) can meet those FAA requirements. First PDM prior to being delivered is being done at WR-ALC but they aircraft still have the military call #s assigned at that time.
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Unread post23 Sep 2015, 19:26

Since they are after LAC 3946 (First Civil Herc in the Normal Category ) they will fall under Lockheed's SMP 515 inspection program. The FAA generally recognizes Military PDM , after which the operators will need to formulate their own Maintenance Program IAW SMP 515.

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