Why havent Russia or China copied the Osprey yet?

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Unread post07 Jul 2020, 02:48

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... n-buy-them

I saw a nice article at warzone discussing how Indonesia will purchase the Osprey.
This made me question Americas neer peers.
Why havent they made a V-22ski yet?

1. Is the engineering that difficult? Its seems the Chinese would copy my recipe for liver and onions if I put it on a classified HDD.
So what gives?
2. No operational need? This is silly since China is trying to play king of the hill with us in the SCS.

3. Its to exspensive? At this point if your making small carriers you need a plane like this.

Whats your opinion guys?
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Unread post07 Jul 2020, 03:00

The engineering is difficult. Doesn't mean they aren't/weren't trying.

Google "blue whale tiltrotor" for chinese (also CH-10 drone). "Mi-30" for Russian (long history).
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Unread post07 Jul 2020, 07:28

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Unread post07 Jul 2020, 07:31

I know what it us. The problem is engines.
The engine has to be more reliable than what the Chinese produce.
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Unread post07 Jul 2020, 19:41

I tend to think that the more natural route, for the Russians at least, to high speed rotorcraft would be compound coax.
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Unread post08 Jul 2020, 02:37

A Z-X model with compound coax was displayed in Zhuhai 2012. I think tiltrotors may appeal more to the Chinese with fast ingress, quicker/safer offload.
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 00:15

weasel1962 wrote:A Z-X model with compound coax was displayed in Zhuhai 2012. I think tiltrotors may appeal more to the Chinese with fast ingress, quicker/safer offload.


I tend to the think the ducted fan compound coax with ramp (ex: AVX/L3) would be every bit as
safe and quick to offload as the tilt rotor. Definitely not as fast though.
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 14:51

marauder2048 wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:A Z-X model with compound coax was displayed in Zhuhai 2012. I think tiltrotors may appeal more to the Chinese with fast ingress, quicker/safer offload.


I tend to the think the ducted fan compound coax with ramp (ex: AVX/L3) would be every bit as
safe and quick to offload as the tilt rotor. Definitely not as fast though.


I always wanted the X-22 to be developed into something but apparently it's not as good as a tilt-rotor. (The arguments seemed convincing at the time but I don't recall the specifics.)

"There I was. . ."
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Unread post09 Jul 2020, 17:37

sferrin wrote:
marauder2048 wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:A Z-X model with compound coax was displayed in Zhuhai 2012. I think tiltrotors may appeal more to the Chinese with fast ingress, quicker/safer offload.


I tend to the think the ducted fan compound coax with ramp (ex: AVX/L3) would be every bit as
safe and quick to offload as the tilt rotor. Definitely not as fast though.


I always wanted the X-22 to be developed into something but apparently it's not as good as a tilt-rotor. (The arguments seemed convincing at the time but I don't recall the specifics.)



The NASA paper ("Summary of Lift and Lift/Cruise Fan Powered Lift Concept Technology") indicated that
it needed a higher L/D wing and a propulsion system that was a better match for cruise.
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Unread post11 Jul 2020, 00:09

Here is the Curtiss Wright X-19.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GZeBVldeDE

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