C-5 down at Dover

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Unread post04 Apr 2006, 21:15

And a flight engineer. Navigators are only on board if the mission is, shall we say, unique.
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Unread post04 Apr 2006, 22:41

I guess sitting backwards in the troop compartment makes sense now. Always hated it though, just doesn't feel right.
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Unread post05 Apr 2006, 17:05

Think it'll ever fly again? Bring it to Hill they'll fix it! :D
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Unread post05 Apr 2006, 22:14

Saw about 50 hi res investigation pics today on the boss' computer. I think you can stick a fork in it.
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Unread post05 Apr 2006, 23:48

I wonder what if any effect this will have on the AMP/RERP program. The plan calls for 112 upgraded C-5M's, so I wonder if they'll pull one out of AMARC to replace this one. All of the C-5B's are scheduled for the upgrades, so this is a double "ouch" that it was a B model.
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Unread post06 Apr 2006, 00:21

0059 already had the glass cockpit mod. When I worked here as a contractor in '01, they supposed to be doing all the glass cockpits and GE CF-6 engines. Still ain't doing the mods. Still talking about it all the time. Believe it when I see it. Doubt they'll pull one from DM.

that it was a B model

Yeah, the guy could have had the decency to crash an A model! I was born in 71, the A's predate me!
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Unread post06 Apr 2006, 02:28

Whiteman_B2 wrote:I wonder what if any effect this will have on the AMP/RERP program. The plan calls for 112 upgraded C-5M's, so I wonder if they'll pull one out of AMARC to replace this one. All of the C-5B's are scheduled for the upgrades, so this is a double "ouch" that it was a B model.


Given the landing, I suspect that all of the cockpit avionics can be salvaged and recertified, same for the two engines that didn't hit the dirt. Obviously the AMP birds are going to be grounded untill they determine if there was an avionics problem or not, but the long term impact will probably be marginal.

I doubt anyone will be dragging C-5s out of AMARC anytime soon, congress is more likely to just buy another pair of C-17s
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Unread post06 Apr 2006, 15:57

cutlassracer wrote:0059 already had the glass cockpit mod. When I worked here as a contractor in '01, they supposed to be doing all the glass cockpits and GE CF-6 engines. Still ain't doing the mods. Still talking about it all the time. Believe it when I see it. Doubt they'll pull one from DM.

that it was a B model

Yeah, the guy could have had the decency to crash an A model! I was born in 71, the A's predate me!



I'm at the depot too but not in a maintenance capacity obviously. :lol: Sorry to hear it was a good airplane. :?
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Unread post06 Apr 2006, 22:09

Bird strike..anyone? Glad to see they all got out.
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Unread post09 Apr 2006, 11:03

snypa777 wrote:Bird strike..anyone? Glad to see they all got out.


It would have to be a flock of big birds, like the AWACS that hit those geese in Alaska. I didn't see alot of bird guts in the photos but we'll have to wait 'til the accident investigation is complete.
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Unread post12 Apr 2006, 20:06

Here's a post from another forum:

This is the current skinny on the crash, -- none of it official -- until the board says so.

It was not a bird ingestion but a "reverser unlock" on the #2 engine that started this. They lost a C-5 with all aboard a few years back in Germany for the same cause. This crew however shut down the engine before an actual unstow took place. The airplane was well over 700K gross weight with FOB of over 300K. The airplane had the newest version of the C-5 flight deck with big panel glass. Unfortunately, only one of the three pilots was really comfortable with the new equipment and FMS.

The crew decided because of their weight to fly their approach to the longest runway, which unfortunately was only being served that day by a Tacan approach. They also decided to fly a full flap approach to keep the approach speed down. This is not prohibited--just highly discouraged. The recommended flap setting for a three engine approach is Flaps 40.

During the approach the crew became worried about not having enough power to fly a full flap approach and selected flaps 40--which they were now too slow for.

Here's the point all you glass cockpit guys should sit up and take notice about.The one guy who was familiar with the new glass and FMS was also the one flying the aircraft. He became distracted inputting the new approach speed in the FMS.

There was also some confusion about just who was flying the A/C while he had his head down updating the speed. Long story short--they got way slow and into the shaker, and actually stuck the tail into the trees and it departed the aircraft first. The nose pitched down hard and the nose and left wing impacted next snapping off the nose.

Several cockpit occupants suffered spinal compression injuries. The guys sitting at the crew table behind the cockpit actually came to a stop with their legs dangling out over the ground.

The miracle of this was the left outboard fuel tank was broken open and none of that fuel managed to find something hot enough to ignite it and the other 300k. Again, a bunch of very lucky people . . or unlucky !
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Unread post12 Apr 2006, 21:04

Hmmm Be interesting to see the report. What was the big rush to land right away?
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Unread post12 Apr 2006, 21:37

I'm sure the
a "reverser unlock" on the #2 engine that started this. They lost a C-5 with all aboard a few years back in Germany for the same cause

increased the pucker factor a few orders of magnitude.

Like you said, gonna have to wait for the report.
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Unread post13 Apr 2006, 11:28

Guysmiley wrote:I'm sure the
a "reverser unlock" on the #2 engine that started this. They lost a C-5 with all aboard a few years back in Germany for the same cause

increased the pucker factor a few orders of magnitude.

Like you said, gonna have to wait for the report.


The C-5 that was lost in Germany was at Ramstein in August of 1990, with 13 of the 17 people aboard killed. About two weeks later, with the photos of the wreckage still clear in my mind I had the opportunity to experience an IFE from the flight end as the Galaxy that we were riding to the Gulf aborted back to Germany after and engine/hydraulic fire.

Either way it had to be better than the Soviet/Russian An-124 that was lost after the nose opened in flight, if I recall the details correctly...

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Unread post13 Apr 2006, 21:11

I guess this is why pilots are officers. An enlisted crew wouldn't be nearly smart enough to screw the pooch this badly. Guess that AFJROTC kid from the other thread really got his ride. Was the mission commander on this sortie.
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