F-105 vs Su-17

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Unread post12 Jul 2017, 23:18

Who would win?
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Unread post13 Jul 2017, 04:26

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Unread post13 Jul 2017, 09:56

F 105 variant with maneuver flaps.
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Unread post13 Jul 2017, 15:15

Ah yes, the classic knifefight in a phonebooth.
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Unread post13 Jul 2017, 18:42

Might need a big phonebooth for these 2.
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Unread post13 Jul 2017, 19:58

The F-105 had more gun kills in 'Nam than all other US aircraft combined, and it was a bomber.
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Unread post14 Jul 2017, 00:23

big phonebooth


Yeah, more like a telemarketer call center. I think a maneuvering fight between these two would probably look like the mating ritual of two sperm whales (is there such thing as a female sperm whale?....must be).

I believe most (not all) of the guys that got the 27.5 gun kills were ex-F-100 drivers who had overcome the mindset that they could turn inside a Cessna 150. These were really good drivers.

To be fair however, the SU-17/20/22s are credited with a C-130 & an A-37.

The winner(s) would be the guys on the ground that weren't being bombed while these two mixed it up.
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Unread post14 Jul 2017, 02:34

pfo wrote:Who win?


Win at what? Bombing?

The F-105 is about a generation earlier than the Su-17 in timeline: late 50s design vs. late 60s design. And early Su-17s were quite crummy in their intended role of air-to-ground until the M3 and M4 versions of the late 70s early 80s made them competitive.

F-105 had much higher payload and range, and much higher practical payload and range given the use of in-flight refueling. They're not really comparable planes in concept, or otherwise, even if they were used for the same purpose. But F-105 was an amazing plane, especially given the time.
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Unread post21 Oct 2017, 03:09

For gummybears and anyone interested in flight manuals for the F-105 series: http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com.au/

Republic F-105B Flight Manual:
https://www.filefactory.com/file/60o4g1 ... Manual.pdf (57Mb)
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Republic F-105F Flight Manual:
https://www.filefactory.com/file/4pldph ... Manual.pdf (63Mb)
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
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Unread post06 Apr 2020, 15:24

interesting comparison
we rarely think about it but in an actual war , a fight between 2 strike fighters or fighter-bombers is not entirely unheard of.Esp since these are the kind of aircraft most commonly deployed , in a big war esp over a small battlefield it is more than likely they can cross paths

I believe both f-105/su-17 can win depending on who is carrying an offensive load of weapons and who achieves surprise

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