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Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2015, 12:41
by mixelflick
Geez..

One wonders what the fear factor is now, after F-15's have been so dominant. I understand the Iraq situation is different, but I mean among other foreign pilots. Other than upgraded Flankers, I'd think it'd be high?

Has any foreign nation bought the Mig-29 upgrades, meaning Mig-35ish like performance?

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2015, 13:02
by oldiaf
On Dec. 25 1992 Christmas day ... F-16D shut downed a MiG-25PDS squadron 97 ... This was the first AA Kill scorred by F-16 and the first kill by AIM-120 ... The MiG-25 pilot ejected safely

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 04 Sep 2015, 13:03
by oldiaf
Jan 17 1993 ( 2 years since DS ) ... Another F-16 scorred a kill ... This time against MiG-23ML ... Initially reported to be MiG-29

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 22 Sep 2015, 01:34
by oldiaf
Is it possible if the Remora ECM pod when installed on MiG-29 .. The MiG-29 would be confused with Mirage F.1EQ ... Because in this case the first Kill scored by Graeter would be on a MiG-29 carrying the Remora over Talha AB while the kill that was shared by the EF-111 and Graeter near H2 is in fact also on Remora carrying aircraft but this time a MiG-2ML confused with Mirage ... This will leave kelk with a kill against a MiG-29 ( without Remora ) from Talha .... I also made a mistake : it was Captain Ismail MiG-29 that was damaged by AIM-7 not Ahmed Husain Hamdan ... Possibly this MiG-29 and his wingman Captain Helal are the 2 MiG-29 claimed by Draeger and Magil over Tamuz AB as their flight was late in the morning but Captain Ismail was only damaged while Captain Helal was not hit.

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2015, 13:21
by tomcooper
oldiaf wrote:On Dec. 25 1992 Christmas day ... F-16D shut downed a MiG-25PDS squadron 97 ... This was the first AA Kill scorred by F-16 and the first kill by AIM-120 ... The MiG-25 pilot ejected safely

My info is that the MiG-25-pilot was injured during ejection (or when the missile hit, i.e. before ejection), and at least broke a leg. He was out of flying after this combat.

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 23 Sep 2015, 13:26
by oldiaf
tomcooper wrote:
oldiaf wrote:On Dec. 25 1992 Christmas day ... F-16D shut downed a MiG-25PDS squadron 97 ... This was the first AA Kill scorred by F-16 and the first kill by AIM-120 ... The MiG-25 pilot ejected safely

My info is that the MiG-25-pilot was injured during ejection (or when the missile hit, i.e. before ejection), and at least broke a leg. He was out of flying after this combat.

Captain Laith Hashim Thanon ejected and survived but I don't know if he injured or didn't fly again.

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 24 Sep 2015, 14:43
by tomcooper
Talking about MiG-25s - though going quite 'off-topic' now: can you find out the name of IrAF MiG-25-pilot that shot down an IRIAF F-5E in June 1985?

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2015, 21:07
by oldiaf
Interested table showing some Iraqi perspective about DS losses

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 25 Sep 2015, 22:23
by old.iraqi.air.force
oldiaf wrote:Interested table showing some Iraqi perspective about DS losses

This table informal and published without checking.

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 28 Sep 2015, 11:36
by nikolaos
Is there a similar list from the Iraqi AF which can be considered formal?

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 01:23
by oldiaf
nikolaos wrote:Is there a similar list from the Iraqi AF which can be considered formal?

Formal list mentions 23 ...

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 09:44
by nikolaos
23 only? The allies claimed much more!
However the list you posted above has 27 losses with black color, should be considered confirmed one way or another?
If not which claims are to be dismissed?

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 11:22
by oldiaf
nikolaos wrote:23 only? The allies claimed much more!
However the list you posted above has 27 losses with black color, should be considered confirmed one way or another?
If not which claims are to be dismissed?

The list is informal ... We are working on the original formal list ... Remember some of the losses claimed by US is confirmed by Iraqi AF but attributed to other reasons than being shut downed !! Like the Mirage F.1EQ shut downed by US F-15C on Jan 27 .. The Iraqi AF claims it hits the ground ... .... Feeling Deja vu with Iraq - Iran war !!

Re: Desert storm Iraqi AF Losses ( claimed vs actual )

Unread postPosted: 05 Oct 2015, 13:24
by nikolaos
oldiaf wrote:... Feeling Deja vu with Iraq - Iran war !!


What do you mean exactly?