Argentina to get Su-24's from Russia

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Unread post07 Aug 2015, 23:56

Sounds like the device phantom on Soviet sub in the movie Phantom with Ed Harris and David Duchovny !!
Besides if the Russians has such a sophisticated device that can shut down all electronic systems and Anti-air defences then why they didn't use it back in 2008 during the Georgian conflict when the tiny Georgian defences shut downed many Russian aircrafts !!
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Unread post02 Jun 2020, 02:05

what if the soviets leased Argentinian airforce a squadorn of su-24 fencers in 1982 during the falklands conflict

How would this in anyway change the conflict ?
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Unread post02 Jun 2020, 13:37

The Russians sure love their Fencers. Either that, or they built a LOT of them and just running down their airframe life. They were one of the first aircraft deployed to Syria, and you can always find a Fencer featuring prominently in any Russian conflict. Even when one was shot down over Turkey some years ago, they still kept them on front line duty.

The SU-34 is for sure an improvement, but nobody in their right mind (even the Russians) should be bragging about the Fencer's capabilities. Smaller, much less capable F-111 knockoff is all it is really.
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Unread post02 Jun 2020, 14:16

mixelflick wrote:The Russians sure love their Fencers. Either that, or they built a LOT of them and just running down their airframe life. They were one of the first aircraft deployed to Syria, and you can always find a Fencer featuring prominently in any Russian conflict. Even when one was shot down over Turkey some years ago, they still kept them on front line duty.

The SU-34 is for sure an improvement, but nobody in their right mind (even the Russians) should be bragging about the Fencer's capabilities. Smaller, much less capable F-111 knockoff is all it is really.

600+ were built maybe even 800 + depending on source

its a great striker from the 1975-1995 era, the advent of the AIM-120 AMRAAM and rapid availability of 4th gen western fighters in the early 90s made it rapidly obsolete

but imagine in mid-late 80s when most airforces had early version F-16s, F-4, mirage F1, Mirage deltas the Su-24 was a RELATIVELY survivable platform
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Unread post02 Jun 2020, 23:53

That big, boxy structure with fixed intakes coupled to twin radar reflectors called turbojet really would have snuck right across the open skies of Europe with all couple of thousand kilograms apiece. Never mind the lack of RWRs, that is still a problem today in Syria. Never mind the western counterparts carrying four times their combat load to their home base before the return leg. That's why it had those big bouncy tires, to land at any random austere basing. What could have possibly gone wrong with that scenario?
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Unread post03 Jun 2020, 00:04

madrat wrote:That big, boxy structure with fixed intakes coupled to twin radar reflectors called turbojet really would have snuck right across the open skies of Europe with all couple of thousand kilograms apiece. Never mind the lack of RWRs, that is still a problem today in Syria. Never mind the western counterparts carrying four times their combat load to their home base before the return leg. That's why it had those big bouncy tires, to land at any random austere basing. What could have possibly gone wrong with that scenario?


Western counterparts were far less numerous like F111

Tornado IDS cannot carry 4 times the combat load of su24
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Unread post03 Jun 2020, 00:27

nastle wrote:what if the soviets leased Argentinian airforce a squadron of su-24 fencers in 1982 during the Falklands conflict

How would this in anyway change the conflict ?




Assuming gravity bombs with the issue of most of the bombs hitting ships and not fusing, that sounds more in line with the ex Israeli Mirage 5s they had in terms of speed but a bigger target flying over the ships at low level.

You would get increased range but think it would still want to get in and out quickly. Assuming it can strike at further range it still needs to run head first into Harriers and the ships defenses.

Super Etendard was by far the biggest threat on account of what it could carry.
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Unread post03 Jun 2020, 01:55

basher54321 wrote:
nastle wrote:what if the soviets leased Argentinian airforce a squadron of su-24 fencers in 1982 during the Falklands conflict

How would this in anyway change the conflict ?




Assuming gravity bombs with the issue of most of the bombs hitting ships and not fusing, that sounds more in line with the ex Israeli Mirage 5s they had in terms of speed but a bigger target flying over the ships at low level.

You would get increased range but think it would still want to get in and out quickly. Assuming it can strike at further range it still needs to run head first into Harriers and the ships defenses.

Super Etendard was by far the biggest threat on account of what it could carry.


the su-24s are PGM capable even if its soviet LGBs or Kh-28 , maybe they can carry the Martin Pescador air to surface missile

not a threat to the carrier but su-24 can hurt the destroyers and other smaller vessels
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