What if... the MiG-31 had mixed it up with our F-15s

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Unread post08 Sep 2014, 19:56

The Mig-31 had mixed it up, with our F-15's during Desert Storm 1?

If memory serves, a pair of Foxbats out ran 7 missiles, fired from Eagles??
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Unread post09 Sep 2014, 00:34

40 views and no responses?

I take that to mean the F-15 still wins... :D
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Unread post09 Sep 2014, 02:38

mixelflick wrote:If memory serves, a pair of Foxbats out ran 7 missiles, fired from Eagles??

Which one of these Foxbats refers to?
The first night of DS 1991 (Two Iraqi MiG-25s fired missiles at a group of F-15Cs escorting a bombing run in Iraq (which were evaded by the F-15s) The F-15Cs gave chase, but were forced to give up when the MiGs outran them. A total of 10 missiles were fired at the MiGs)
Or 5 January 1999 A group of four Iraqi MiG-25s crossed the no-fly zones and sparked a dogfight with two patrolling F-15Cs and two patrolling F-14Ds. A total of six missiles were fired at the MiGs, none of which hit them.

What if Iraqi air force had MIG-31 and mixed it up with U.S F-15s !...
What if that war never happened and we stayed our alliance with U.S..
What if that war never happened and we stayed our air force in development and progression...
What if that pilots who died in vain still alive with their family and friends..
What if Iraqi air force procured Mirage 2000, SU-27, Rafale..
Many of these similar questions were raised in the former Iraqi air force, but who can shift the past!?
Which pilot is the front-runner: Who took part in air battles and then retired after all..?
Or pilot flying his aircraft in peace time and enjoy this incredible feeling..?
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Unread post09 Sep 2014, 05:12

Point well taken brother.

I guess both those engagements (the 2nd I wasn't aware of), illustrate it perfectly. The F-15 couldn't catch it, and it's missiles rarely did. As it stands, some great men were lost - and the Mig-25's legacy cemented...
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Unread post09 Sep 2014, 07:17

MiG-31 definitely is much more advanced interceptor than MiG-25 and could've potentially meant much more headaches for the coalition if the Iraqi AF had them in numbers and were well trained in using them and fought smart. MiG-31 would've had superior flight performance (especially low and medium altitude) and much better avionics and weapons systems than MiG-25. They would've had even better chances of avoiding being hit and had longer range weapons to threaten Coalition aircraft. I think they would've meant being much more cautious with several support aircraft (AWACS, EW, recce) but I doubt F-15s and such would've been in that much more danger due to MiG-31 weapons systems being designed against bombers and reconnaissance aircraft.
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Unread post09 Sep 2014, 16:39

As Old Iraqi Air Force has said in the past, it was the EW systems of the US that won the air war. MiG-25 shots more often than not were directed against false targets.
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Unread post10 Sep 2014, 13:19

old.iraqi.air.force wrote:
mixelflick wrote:If memory serves, a pair of Foxbats out ran 7 missiles, fired from Eagles??

Which one of these Foxbats refers to?
The first night of DS 1991 (Two Iraqi MiG-25s fired missiles at a group of F-15Cs escorting a bombing run in Iraq (which were evaded by the F-15s) The F-15Cs gave chase, but were forced to give up when the MiGs outran them. A total of 10 missiles were fired at the MiGs)
Or 5 January 1999 A group of four Iraqi MiG-25s crossed the no-fly zones and sparked a dogfight with two patrolling F-15Cs and two patrolling F-14Ds. A total of six missiles were fired at the MiGs, none of which hit them.

What if Iraqi air force had MIG-31 and mixed it up with U.S F-15s !...
What if that war never happened and we stayed our alliance with U.S..
What if that war never happened and we stayed our air force in development and progression...
What if that pilots who died in vain still alive with their family and friends..
What if Iraqi air force procured Mirage 2000, SU-27, Rafale..
Many of these similar questions were raised in the former Iraqi air force, but who can shift the past!?
Which pilot is the front-runner: Who took part in air battles and then retired after all..?
Or pilot flying his aircraft in peace time and enjoy this incredible feeling..?


Can you give me an idea, as to which US aircraft fired what missiles that missed?
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Unread post10 Sep 2014, 23:36

mixelflick wrote:Can you give me an idea, as to which US aircraft fired what missiles that missed?

At that time we were briefed as Phoenix and sparrow missiles "radar homing" in 1999, as well as that in 1991 was AIM-7.
But i need to contact the actual pilots to make sure again, and i will let know later buddy.
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Unread post11 Sep 2014, 13:32

old.iraqi.air.force wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Can you give me an idea, as to which US aircraft fired what missiles that missed?

At that time we were briefed as Phoenix and sparrow missiles "radar homing" in 1999, as well as that in 1991 was AIM-7.
But i need to contact the actual pilots to make sure again, and i will let know later buddy.


Many thanks! A more helpful board member, there never was.. :)

On a semi-related topic, do you have any information as to F-15's getting "hit" air-to-air? If memory serves, there was at least one. Mig-21/23/29 vs. F-15/16?

I know I'm asking a lot... :mrgreen:
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Unread post11 Sep 2014, 14:59

He has, in another thread, described in great detail a MiG-25 hitting an F-15 with a missile and then out running the wingman
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Unread post11 Sep 2014, 18:36

Let's not forget, the F-15s did shoot down a couple Mig-25s, including one in which the F-15 ran it down from behind (on the deck pretty much).
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Unread post11 Sep 2014, 18:47

sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:He has, in another thread, described in great detail a MiG-25 hitting an F-15 with a missile and then out running the wingman



Where? I just looked through all of his posts and I didn't see it. :oops:
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Unread post12 Sep 2014, 01:55

mixelflick wrote:do you have any information as to F-15's getting "hit" air-to-air? If memory serves, there was at least one. Mig-21/23/29 vs. F-15/16?

I know I'm asking a lot... :mrgreen:

No except operation Samarra (February 30-1991) other F-15s were hit or shot down by SAM unit in DS, but if you were referring to that F-15 which took off from "Turkey-Incirlik Air Base was hit and damage by R-27 during the nineties northern Iraq (as i remember it was 97 or 98 not really sure) it was upgrade Iraqi SAM unit using MIG-29 radar RF and sending the same impulses run of MIG-29 and S-300 TTP, wasn't MIG-29.
There was no air to air engagements with any F-16 during DS, because the tasks assigned to it was mostly south and central of Iraq, and these Iraqi air base was already destroyed from the first night of DS and most Iraqi interceptor located at west followed by the threat at the time, even the air strike on Al-Walid AB by F-16s escort by F-15s.
Feel free if you have any question at any time, you're more than welcome :wink:
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Unread post12 Sep 2014, 02:14

sferrin wrote:Let's not forget, the F-15s did shoot down a couple Mig-25s, including one in which the F-15 ran it down from behind (on the deck pretty much).

Only two Iraqi MIG-25R were shot down in DS 1991, the third one was 1992 by F-16 it was the first time of using AIM-120 in air combat,it was UB.
sferrin wrote:Where? I just looked through all of his posts and I didn't see it.

sprstdlyscottsmn linked in professional way thanks to him, however the translation and the grammar very weak in that topic, recently I hired translator so I will be able to share memoirs with good English.

F-16.net forum topic: The MiG-25 and MiG-31 in combat
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Unread post20 Sep 2014, 01:16

sferrin wrote:Let's not forget, the F-15s did shoot down a couple Mig-25s, including one in which the F-15 ran it down from behind (on the deck pretty much).


Didn't know this!

Link/other details you can offer??
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