A Comparison F-14 Versus F-15E In The Fighter Role

Cold war, Korea, Vietnam, and Desert Storm - up to and including for example the A-10, F-15, Mirage 200, MiG-29, and F-18.
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Unread post14 Jul 2019, 09:10

wooster wrote:It all goes back to the OODA loop.

How would the YF-23 be better in the OODA loop? They would have the same sensor suite, the 23 also had a lower internal weapons load, and if the redesign was approved to achieve a stacked missile load, then it can pose reliability concerns if one missile jams. The YF-22 also flew more hours and more sorties than the 23 so reliability was also a factor.
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Unread post15 Jul 2019, 13:33

zero-one wrote:
wooster wrote:It all goes back to the OODA loop.

How would the YF-23 be better in the OODA loop? They would have the same sensor suite, the 23 also had a lower internal weapons load, and if the redesign was approved to achieve a stacked missile load, then it can pose reliability concerns if one missile jams. The YF-22 also flew more hours and more sorties than the 23 so reliability was also a factor.


Stealthier (especially in thermal) and lower detection range, faster and more able to decide where and when to fight, and longer ranged and able to loiter longer or reach further into contested airspace. The F-22 offers practically nothing in the way of IR suppression. The 23 was probably magnitudes of order smaller in the IR bandwidth. Sensors are 1/2 of the equation, and the other half is the airframe.

As far as reliability, the 22 doesn't do so well in that area, does it? One cannot measure the reliability of a demonstrator and map it 1:1 into a production article.

It's also unfair for the op to compare the 22 and 23 to being like the 15 and 14. Not even a close comparison. One barely had a .7 t/w ratio and no ailerons and slow moving VG wings and they other designed to fight with a gun. The 23 was designed to be better than 15 in a gun fight, so to say its more suited to an interceptor role is an incorrect conclusion.
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Unread post15 Jul 2019, 15:05

wooster wrote:
Stealthier (especially in thermal) and lower detection range, faster and more able to decide where and when to fight, and longer ranged and able to loiter longer or reach further into contested airspace. The F-22 offers practically nothing in the way of IR suppression. The 23 was probably magnitudes of order smaller in the IR bandwidth. Sensors are 1/2 of the equation, and the other half is the airframe.

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