Indian Mirage 2000 hits targets in Pakistan

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Unread post02 May 2019, 22:33

Vm you do realise that Pakistan was one of the countries that allowed this UN listing to happen right?

It’s not about a saint there’s a procedure called gathering evidence and until complete it’s put on hold. The Chinese ‘objection’ was always a technical hold, despite sensational and irresponsible portrayals in the Indian media. Also in no way is this a ‘diplomatic win’ for India, when Pakistan literally asked the Chinese not to object to masood azhars listing. If they hadn’t, he still wouldn’t have been listed.

Also the listing itself makes no mention of either pulwama(since his direct links to that attack are still not proven according to Pakistan) or attacks in India or Kashmir. Rather his ties to Al qaeda and daish were what got him listed:
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/cont ... azhar-alvi

On the ground this changes absolutely nothing, other names will prop up after his, other groups will replace JeM unless India stops it’s current policy in Kashmir. India will have to use political engagement with the Kashmiris if they want terror over there to end, no amount of blaming Pakistan is gonna change that reality.

If anything by failing to get either pulwama or attacks in IOK mentioned in the resolution, this was a diplomatic defeat for Modi. Which is why Pakistan and China removed their objections.
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Unread post03 May 2019, 03:47

mair wrote:Vm you do realise that Pakistan was one of the countries that allowed this UN listing to happen right?

It’s not about a saint there’s a procedure called gathering evidence and until complete it’s put on hold. The Chinese ‘objection’ was always a technical hold, despite sensational and irresponsible portrayals in the Indian media. Also in no way is this a ‘diplomatic win’ for India, when Pakistan literally asked the Chinese not to object to masood azhars listing. If they hadn’t, he still wouldn’t have been listed.

Also the listing itself makes no mention of either pulwama(since his direct links to that attack are still not proven according to Pakistan) or attacks in India or Kashmir. Rather his ties to Al qaeda and daish were what got him listed:
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/cont ... azhar-alvi

On the ground this changes absolutely nothing, other names will prop up after his, other groups will replace JeM unless India stops it’s current policy in Kashmir. India will have to use political engagement with the Kashmiris if they want terror over there to end, no amount of blaming Pakistan is gonna change that reality.

If anything by failing to get either pulwama or attacks in IOK mentioned in the resolution, this was a diplomatic defeat for Modi. Which is why Pakistan and China removed their objections.

Guess its a traumatic time for you and your ilk.
After arguing for pages about the ineffectiveness of the Balakot strikes, this guy gets sanctioned after decades of trying and your deeper than ocean friend drops its vetoes on realizing that usa is going to push through the sanctions, with or without China.
Pak has no role in the sanctiins except as a terror perpetuator.
Whether this guy is hanged for balakot or shoplifting or blasphemy, makes no difference to India.
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Unread post03 May 2019, 04:40

vm wrote:
mair wrote:Vm you do realise that Pakistan was one of the countries that allowed this UN listing to happen right?

It’s not about a saint there’s a procedure called gathering evidence and until complete it’s put on hold. The Chinese ‘objection’ was always a technical hold, despite sensational and irresponsible portrayals in the Indian media. Also in no way is this a ‘diplomatic win’ for India, when Pakistan literally asked the Chinese not to object to masood azhars listing. If they hadn’t, he still wouldn’t have been listed.

Also the listing itself makes no mention of either pulwama(since his direct links to that attack are still not proven according to Pakistan) or attacks in India or Kashmir. Rather his ties to Al qaeda and daish were what got him listed:
https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/cont ... azhar-alvi

On the ground this changes absolutely nothing, other names will prop up after his, other groups will replace JeM unless India stops it’s current policy in Kashmir. India will have to use political engagement with the Kashmiris if they want terror over there to end, no amount of blaming Pakistan is gonna change that reality.

If anything by failing to get either pulwama or attacks in IOK mentioned in the resolution, this was a diplomatic defeat for Modi. Which is why Pakistan and China removed their objections.

Guess its a traumatic time for you and your ilk.
After arguing for pages about the ineffectiveness of the Balakot strikes, this guy gets sanctioned after decades of trying and your deeper than ocean friend drops its vetoes on realizing that usa is going to push through the sanctions, with or without China.
Pak has no role in the sanctiins except as a terror perpetuator.
Whether this guy is hanged for balakot or shoplifting or blasphemy, makes no difference to India.



This only proves India can never be a regional power since it requires entire world's support to take any action against Pakistan. On the other hand, India tried to do a surgical strike at night but failed miserably and next day what happens to India is nothing less then a humiliation which India can not recover from until IAF shoots down 2 PAF jets to even a score and I dont see that happening unless India wants to start a war.
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Unread post03 May 2019, 22:11

Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798
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Unread post04 May 2019, 04:04

More proof that Indian claim of destroying so called terror camps have been busted. Watch this video from 0:55 mark and look at what a bunker buster would do to a similar structure on top of a bunker. Exactly, it does not creates small holes on metal sheet roof it will completely destroy it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQ&t=104s
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Unread post04 May 2019, 07:20

fullonlockon wrote:Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798


Too much text for me to read but it sure looks convincing.
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Unread post04 May 2019, 14:46

fullonlockon wrote:Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798


Yep.

Pakistan 1, India 0 as far as air to air goes. I still can't make heads or tails though if India's strike was successful. In any case, I think this showed India is indeed in desperate need of a lightweight, multi-role platform that carries with it a decided advantage over PAK and other adversaries.

It is telling how important controlling the skies was in this conflict. With no clear cut winner, both sides were able to conduct strike missions into the other's territory. I hope the USAF is watching and taking notes..
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Unread post05 May 2019, 03:17

pafrocks1 wrote:More proof that Indian claim of destroying so called terror camps have been busted. Watch this video from 0:55 mark and look at what a bunker buster would do to a similar structure on top of a bunker. Exactly, it does not creates small holes on metal sheet roof it will completely destroy it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL7oeu3_syQ&t=104s

In this official video, go to 2.18
https://youtu.be/SEohrQDC7vo

The truth shall prevail.
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Unread post05 May 2019, 03:34

loke wrote:
fullonlockon wrote:Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798


Too much text for me to read but it sure looks convincing.

Convincing? Haha.
The author Micheal Sheldon graduated in 2017 and has a total of 2 years work experience.
He collates a lot of info from the Web and compiles it into a "report".
Must be the type of expert who wrote the logic for the 737 max.
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Unread post05 May 2019, 06:35

vm wrote:In this official video, go to 2.18
https://youtu.be/SEohrQDC7vo

The truth shall prevail.


:doh: What point are you trying to make in your video other than spice can hit a target?
In ROK Air force video the target structure is a best representation of what balakot structure with supposedly a bunker. The bunker buster penetrates the roof like a knife on butter and then penetrates 2 thick concrete walls before exploding and destroying the structure. Also notice the explosion dissipates through bunker's 2 exits and had it been closed bunker the damage would have been even more because the energy would escape through structure sitting on top of it.
Your video make no sense and is a sign of desperation to prove absurd point.
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Unread post05 May 2019, 06:45

vm wrote:
loke wrote:
fullonlockon wrote:Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798


Too much text for me to read but it sure looks convincing.

Convincing? Haha.
The author Micheal Sheldon graduated in 2017 and has a total of 2 years work experience.
He collates a lot of info from the Web and compiles it into a "report".
Must be the type of expert who wrote the logic for the 737 max.



Instead of looking at the author's academic background you should look at his work. Because if we go by your logic then all defense forms has ZERO value?
DFRlab research is based on facts and you should look at their main points,
* All missiles recovered from Mig-21 wreckage including all 2 R-73 and 2 R-77
* Mig-21 was hit by a missile and went down in couple of different locations

You should perhaps read unbiased article for a change, it will help you face the truth :wink: .
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Unread post05 May 2019, 08:56

vm wrote:
loke wrote:
fullonlockon wrote:Further evidence in the corner of no F-16 shot down.

https://medium.com/dfrlab/in-depth-indi ... d81881a798


Too much text for me to read but it sure looks convincing.

Convincing? Haha.
The author Micheal Sheldon graduated in 2017 and has a total of 2 years work experience.
He collates a lot of info from the Web and compiles it into a "report".
Must be the type of expert who wrote the logic for the 737 max.


Dude stop being salty to literally every post here that doesn’t align with your own propagandistic beliefs. Youre not fooling anyone, all this does is prove how badly burned you and your ilk really are by recent events.
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Unread post06 May 2019, 19:01

Why does this form has a false news as a sticky thread while a discussion worthy topic "PAF F-16 shot down Su-30" does not exist?
MODS will i get banned if I open a new thread "Paf F-16 shot down Su-30".
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Unread post07 May 2019, 00:24

pafrocks1 wrote:Why does this form has a false news as a sticky thread while a discussion worthy topic "PAF F-16 shot down Su-30" does not exist?
MODS will i get banned if I open a new thread "Paf F-16 shot down Su-30".


Its prudent to not to. You are posting messages since a couple of days now. Haven't you observed the way an unsubstantiated claim (read PAF F-16 down) will be slayed on this forum?
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Unread post07 May 2019, 01:46

The majority of the members have no interest in any India vs Pakistan rants............ :?
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