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Su-27 and F-15 in air policing close encounter

Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 18:33
by marsavian

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 20:42
by sferrin
Is that typical behavior? Would we do the same were we to be escorting a KC-135 say? (Turn into an opposing aircraft to force them away that is.)

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 20:54
by marsavian
If the F-15 driver had not been paying attention there would have been a coming together. This was not the only recent incident ; Russian Su-27 jet flies within 5 feet of U.S. Navy EP-3 plane over Black Sea: Pentagon.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-je ... black-sea/

The U.S. Navy EP-3 Aries aircraft was intercepted by a Russian SU-27 jet, Pentagon spokeswoman Capt. Pamela Kunze said in a statement. The encounter lasted two hours and 40 minutes, Kunze said. The Russian jet came within 5 feet of the U.S. plane and crossed directly through its flight path, causing the EP-3 to fly through a trail of turbulence.

U.S. Navy releases video of "unsafe" Russian jet intercept
Kunze said the Russian military is "within its right" to fly in international airspace, but they "must behave within international standards set to ensure safety and prevent incidents."

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 20:57
by marsavian

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 20:58
by sprstdlyscottsmn
That is typical behavior of intercepted Russian aircraft. A MiG-31 did the same thing to an F-16.

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 21:16
by sferrin
sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:That is typical behavior of intercepted Russian aircraft. A MiG-31 did the same thing to an F-16.


If a B-52 were intercepted by a Flanker, and an F-15 came on the scene, would it get between the Flanker and the B-52 and force it away as happened here?

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2019, 21:23
by sferrin
marsavian wrote:If the F-15 driver had not been paying attention there would have been a coming together.


If you look carefully, there was a small initial feint by the Flanker towards the Eagle. When the Eagle reacted to it the Flanker then came over into the turn (because he knew the Eagle pilot was watching so he could safely do so). If the Eagle hadn't reacted to the initial feint the Flanker wouldn't have hit him. It likely would have repeated the feint. They're not stupid. Flanker pilot was basically saying, "hey, let's move away".

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2019, 14:17
by marsavian
More bragging from Russian pilots who seem to think they are already at war fighting imaginary dogfights in which they are the only ones informed about it ;)

Su-35 meets F-18/F-15.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian ... ?r=US&IR=T
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtKt_QPHrCj/

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2019, 17:44
by eloise
marsavian wrote:More bragging from Russian pilots who seem to think they are already at war fighting imaginary dogfights in which they are the only ones informed about it ;)

Su-35 meets F-18/F-15.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian ... ?r=US&IR=T
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtKt_QPHrCj/

No deflection on the tail so the F-18 was flying level

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2019, 17:58
by marsavian
And the WSO took out a camera to take snaps. Reading the translation of the IG post you would think he just became an ACE ! Comical peurile stuff !

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2019, 19:14
by mixelflick
Good Lord these people are desperate...

The real world (combat) evidence is clear: Russian fighters are routinely trounced by American made jets. Sure, you can argue they were downgraded export models flown by rookie hacks, but c'mon. At some point you need to admit defeat. Like when Mig-21's, 23's, 25's and 29's are regularly turned into spare parts, teeth and eyeballs in the skies over (Iraq, Serbia, the Middle East etc, take your pick).

I suppose the Flanker is their last hope. Beautiful jet, but its days as numero uno were over even as it was initially fielded. F-22's and 35's will make short work of it, and I wouldn't be surprised if F-15 or 16's join that party as well.

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Unread postPosted: 09 Feb 2019, 22:25
by marsavian
Mixelflick you surprise me, I thought you would have been all over super-maneuvrable Flankers showing F-18s the way home ! :D

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Unread postPosted: 13 Feb 2019, 04:05
by firebase99
At least its not a YF-17 Cobra this time.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Feb 2019, 16:53
by mixelflick
marsavian wrote:Mixelflick you surprise me, I thought you would have been all over super-maneuvrable Flankers showing F-18s the way home ! :D


I'm learning, lol.

I still don't like the F-18. But they are infinitely more combat capable vs. their Russian counterparts.

The big, rangy Flanker family can carry a good war load to great altitude and on kinematics alone is superior to some Western jets. At the very least, you have to admire the airframe. They've really taken the podded platypus concept originally seen in the F-14 and run with it. But they are let down in systems and in particular, weapons. The R-27 doesn't have a single BVR "hit" that I'm aware of in combat. All R-27 fired by Eritrean/Ethiopian Mig-29's and SU-27's missed.

If the F-35's BVR model of stealth, SA etc. works as advertised, they're in for a long day in future conflicts. If I were them, I'd sell as many "invincible" SU-35's as fast as possible. Because as soon as the first one falls to an F-35's (or F-15's!) AMRAAM, sales are going to drop off.

Precipitously!

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Unread postPosted: 22 Feb 2019, 17:44
by hythelday
mixelflick wrote:If I were them, I'd sell as many "invincible" SU-35's as fast as possible. Because as soon as the first one falls to an F-35's (or F-15's!) AMRAAM, sales are going to drop off.

Precipitously!


So what exactly would Su-35 buyers get instead?

Look up how many T-90s Russia sold since GW (a lot).