Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 fighters

Unread postPosted: 20 Jan 2018, 23:37
by airforces_freak
Turkey has commenced Operation Olive Branch- 72 Aircraft are currently pounding YPG/SDF targets in successive waves.
Turkey confirms that 108 YPG targets containing weapons obtained from the US were destroyed.
Turkey has announced that it's objective is to clear Northern Syria from Afrin all the way to the Iraqi border of YPG domination.

The current operation is the first after last years coup attempt. Almost half the Airforce combat pilots were purged. The current operation shows that Turkey has been able to recover and conduct large scale operations.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-air-s ... rc=fauxdal
https://www.ft.com/content/c124b8aa-fe0 ... 0ad2d7c5b5

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 00:16
by botsing
Take your propaganda elsewhere airforces_freak

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 00:37
by airforces_freak
botsing wrote:Take your propaganda elsewhere airforces_freak


Propaganda? This post is no different to posts like "Israel warplanes launch airstrike near Damascus, Syria".

Why so much hostility against Turks on the forum?

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 00:45
by airforces_freak
Turkey has temporarily shuttered all US Operations at Incirlik AF base as Turkish F-16Cs from 152 Filo are using the base for Operation Olive Branch.




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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 01:31
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:
botsing wrote:Take your propaganda elsewhere airforces_freak


Propaganda? This post is no different to posts like "Israel warplanes launch airstrike near Damascus, Syria".

Why so much hostility against Turks on the forum?


I believe it's hostility toward you, and your spreading of propoganda.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 01:35
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?



I'm comfortable with going to war with Turkey.

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Unfortunately we probably won't though

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 01:37
by durahawk
airforces_freak wrote: Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?


Apparently still not enough to block the F-35 sale... although the US Congress is a little indisposed at the moment :bang:

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 01:56
by XanderCrews
When we go to war with someone they know it

I should be mad that they bombed civilians, but considering their last performance against civilians went so poorly this is a huge achievement

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 02:25
by airforces_freak
XanderCrews wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?



I'm comfortable with going to war with Turkey.

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Unfortunately we probably won't though


Keep comparing FETO/US controlled reserve conscripts to Professional Turkish soldiers operating in Eastern Turkey. As Sun Tzu famously remarked: Never underestimate your opponent.

Secondly, what is the measure of success in war? Achieving your operational objectives or ridicule?

Turkey's objective was to prevent a Marxist-Leninist Communist Kurdish Statelet on its border that stretches to the Mediterranean Sea and cuts Turkey off from the Arab and Turkic worlds. Turkey has largely achieved this objective by joining forces with Iran and Russia.

P.S. Strong military powers these days do not engage in direct confrontation but use proxies. Turkish proxies are at war with US proxies in the region. This is no secret anymore. Then there is a seperate and independent cold war between the US and Russia: this war is about who will appease Turkey the most and get it on side.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 02:42
by botsing
airforces_freak wrote:Why so much hostility against Turks on the forum?

All good dictators needs enemies "to protect the people from", Erdogan is playing a good game here. :devil:

You want to polarize peoples thoughts as if we dislike Turks, which is of course a big lie. I love Turks, many people in the EU love people from Turkey but still you like to make others think we hate Turks...

So... you got an agenda there buddy?

EDIT: linking to sputnik news as a source... :doh: So yeah, def an agenda there "buddy".

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 03:28
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:Keep comparing FETO/US controlled reserve conscripts to Professional Turkish soldiers operating in Eastern Turkey. As Sun Tzu famously remarked: Never underestimate your opponent.



LOL those aren't real Turks!

Ive worked with the "professionals" you speak of. Not impressed, not worried.

Fine bombing of civilians though. Don't under estimate your civilian opponent's. Bomb early and often

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 07:30
by airforces_freak
XanderCrews wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Keep comparing FETO/US controlled reserve conscripts to Professional Turkish soldiers operating in Eastern Turkey. As Sun Tzu famously remarked: Never underestimate your opponent.



LOL those aren't real Turks!

Ive worked with the "professionals" you speak of. Not impressed, not worried.

Fine bombing of civilians though. Don't under estimate your civilian opponent's. Bomb early and often


Are you describing Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003? We are doing the same we are giving the Marxist-Leninists commies an "Olive branch" just like you guys gave the Iraqi's freedom.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 14:56
by airforces_freak
Turkey commences 2nd wave of aerial bombing in Afrin with 34 F-16's.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 15:44
by botsing
airforces_freak wrote:Nice way of showing your love then. Please hate us we don't need your love.

There you go again, as if you can speak for all Turks, which you cannot. You are just one guided propaganda channel that has nothing to do with "us" Turks.

According to you everybody should now hate all Turks just because you say so with twisted rethorics?

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 16:08
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Nice way of showing your love then. Please hate us we don't need your love. If arming marxist-leninist terrorists that conduct suicide bombings in Turkish cities is showing your love please show us your hate.
If keeping us at the gates of the European Union for 55 years is showing your love please hate us.


Reported


I hope you have also reported your repeated provocations as well.

One surely cannot claim the moral high ground if one's moral reach is highly selective & biased!


For someone so comfortable with your nation bombing kids, you sure are sensitive to people on the internet.

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 16:09
by XanderCrews
botsing wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Nice way of showing your love then. Please hate us we don't need your love.

There you go again, as if you can speak for all Turks, which you cannot. You are just one guided propaganda channel that has nothing to do with "us" Turks.

According to you everybody should now hate all Turks just because you say so with twisted rethorics?


Mr freak is racist

People who see race in everything tend to be racist.

Everyone is racist and provocative. What a great formula that will surely lead to great things.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 20:11
by memzey
Anyway falcons seem to be performing extremely well in this operation. Does anyone have any information on the munitions being used by the TuAF?

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Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 21:11
by mtrman
Well, I also wonder. To be honest, our military is a bit shy on sharing such media and information. But it is safe to say mostly LGBs which were converted from dumb bombs by using indigenously developed kits.

There is also possibility of using some advanced ammo such as SOM and Popeye.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=53594&p=386378#p386378

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 23:42
by airforces_freak
XanderCrews wrote:
For someone so comfortable with your nation bombing kids, you sure are sensitive to people on the internet.


The real propaganda machine is you. Comments such as these clearly show that you have a problem with Turkey invading Syria and foiling US plans of establishing a Marxist-Leninist Communist Statelet whose leaders plan suicide bombings in Turkish cities killing innocent men woman and children.

The US shares no border with Syria or Iraq yet has been conducting bombing campaigns for the past few years in the name of fighting DAESH. Turkey has suffered from numerous terrorist acts killing thousands and the US expects Turkey to sit back and turn the other cheek? Like the US has interests Turkey also has interests and wont shy away from exerting its legitimate rights even it it means confronting superpowers.

P.S. Turkey has been using precision strike weapons so stop misleading people as though the Turkish Air Force is indiscriminately bombing civilians. You are talking as though you are the PKK terrorist spokesman.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Jan 2018, 23:51
by airforces_freak
Weapons used in Operation Olive Branch by the Turkish Air Force:

TUBITAK KGK
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TUBITAK HGK
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ROKETSAN SOM-B1 (250+km SOM network enabled Cruise Missile)
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ROKETSAN MIZRAK
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TUBIKTAK NEB Bunker Buster
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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 00:05
by white_lightning35
airforces_freak wrote:Turkish Jets destroy Menagh Military Airbase which is regularly used by US forces to supply the SDF/YPG: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2018 ... s-weapons/

Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?


I think you really don't want a real war against the U.S. Say goodbye to supreme leader erdogan if that's the case. I think people don't have a clue about the difference between what the U.S. is doing to some people in iraq and what would happen to turkey. It seems to become more like a caliphate everyday, so good riddance perhaps?

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, and erdogan gets bitch-slapped back into his place if needed. :mrgreen:

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 00:40
by airforces_freak
white_lightning35 wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:Turkish Jets destroy Menagh Military Airbase which is regularly used by US forces to supply the SDF/YPG: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2018 ... s-weapons/

Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?


I think you really don't want a real war against the U.S. Say goodbye to supreme leader erdogan if that's the case. I think people don't have a clue about the difference between what the U.S. is doing to some people in iraq and what would happen to turkey. It seems to become more like a caliphate everyday, so good riddance perhaps?

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, and erdogan gets bitch-slapped back into his place if needed. :mrgreen:


Turkey and the US will never end up in an overt war just like Russia and China will never end up in an overt war with the US. Regional Powers engage in asymmetric warfare and proxy wars in order to safe guard their interests.

When I refer to a de facto war between the US and Turkey I am referring to the proxy war currently going on between US backed SDF and Turkish backed FSA on Syrian territory.

The Turkish leadership is not stupid to engage in any large scale over war as their primary objective is economic prosperity and growth. Turkey is also not going to engage in an overt fight with the US over a few rag heads in Northern Syria. Turkey and the US have had ties for 50 years and have been allied since the Korean War.

Turkey is also not a new State but a country whose history stretches back more than 700 years.

P.S. The West is too fixated on Erdogan but fail to realise that the entire Turkish State apparatus has changed in tune with Erdogan's foreign policy. 200,000 civil servants have been purged- the deep State has changed. And all this change has been supported by the Turkish people. Like it or not the West needs to accept this change and realise that Turkey is an independent Sovereign State.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 02:06
by airforces_freak
Operation Olive Branch moves to Manbij, Syria. Turkish PM makes public announcement that after Manbij, Turkey will move onto Kobane all the way to the Iraqi border. Once border is cleared of YPG/SDF elements Turkey has stated that it will hand over the liberated territory to the Syrian Arab Republic and maintain a buffer zone of 30km in Syrian Territory.

France calls UN Security Council for urgent meeting. Russia says it will veto any move on Turkey.

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article ... st-aleppo/

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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 03:02
by madrat
Put what he said in context. airforces_freak believes the Kurds are dhimmi, therefore inferior. We're seeing a repeat of the 1870s, where ethnic and religious miscreants are the villains. The solution, according to the self-legitimatised bigots, is extermination. It's been resurrected about every generation in modern times. And good old Europe turned a blind eye. The last few times the European leaders leaned on them to stop there were continent-wide wars, ignited each time with lunacy in the Balkans. The common thread was all to obvious, but we wouldn't want to be falsely accused of being racists so better look away... Hamidians are alive and well in 2018.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 03:41
by airforces_freak
madrat wrote:Put what he said in context. airforces_freak believes the Kurds are dhimmi, therefore inferior. We're seeing a repeat of the 1870s, where ethnic and religious miscreants are the villains. The solution, according to the self-legitimatised bigots, is extermination. It's been resurrected about every generation in modern times. And good old Europe turned a blind eye. The last few times the European leaders leaned on them to stop there were continent-wide wars, ignited each time with lunacy in the Balkans. The common thread was all to obvious, but we wouldn't want to be falsely accused of being racists so better look away... Hamidians are alive and well in 2018.


No matter how hard one tries to distort this war- this war cannot be labelled as a war based on religion or race.

Nor can it be described as a war waged on Kurdish minorities. This is a war waged against a particular marxist-leninist organisation whose objective is not to achieve a Kurdish homeland but rather to act as a political porn to encircle Turkey and destabalis the region.

It is a war against divide and conquer. It is a war against nation states aimed at diving the Middle East along ethnic and religious lines. It is a war seeking to preserve the unitary staes of Syria, Iraq and Turkey.

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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 04:32
by white_lightning35
airforces_freak wrote:

This is a war waged against a particular marxist-leninist organisation whose objective is not to achieve a Kurdish homeland but rather to act as a political porn to encircle Turkey


Oof. This is what happens when you type it too many times, folks. Autocorrect just doesn't let it go.

P.s. I think I've seen that one :pint:

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Unread postPosted: 22 Jan 2018, 08:47
by airforces_freak
Turkey begins saturation bombing of anti-aircraft targets in Manbij and Afrin with Roketsan T-122 GPS Guided MLRS systems.


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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 10:48
by neptune
mtrman wrote:Okay, this thread may not be fully compatible with this forum, since this is mostly a military&political event, not a specific military issue.

On the other hand, it is also disappointing how some people from western world trying to disinform the others and try to hide the solid facts...


One suspects the Arab Spring has breathed life into the Kurdish Emirates to reestablih the 1000 year old Kurdistan from the fumblings of the Brits and French. The defeat of the Ottomans has not led to successful, stable establishment of Iraq and Syria. The fear that economic success from the independent oil sales in Kurdish Iraq will infuse a wealth of investment in arms to defend their people and strive for independence. IMHO
:)

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 11:10
by airforces_freak
neptune wrote:
mtrman wrote:Okay, this thread may not be fully compatible with this forum, since this is mostly a military&political event, not a specific military issue.

On the other hand, it is also disappointing how some people from western world trying to disinform the others and try to hide the solid facts...


One suspects the Arab Spring has breathed life into the Kurdish Emirates to reestablih the 1000 year old Kurdistan from the fumblings of the Brits and French. The defeat of the Ottomans has not led to successful, stable establishment of Iraq and Syria. The fear that economic success from the independent oil sales in Kurdish Iraq will infuse a wealth of investment in arms to defend their people and strive for independence. IMHO
:)


And how do they plan to get those arms in where they are landlocked between Iraq, Iran and Turkey? Also the last I checked Turkey bombed the US Arms supplied to the SDF.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 11:51
by botsing
mtrman wrote:@nut, you shameless liar... He is not talking about any war against any ally.


airforces_freak wrote:Can we comfortably state that Turkey is now in a de facto war with the US?



:roll:

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 12:11
by mtrman
@Botsing,

I am not intention reader. But, "desire" and "de facto situation" are two completely different things. Just a few posts before, he already stated that nobody in Turkey wants such a nonsense thing.

But by the great efforts of U.S. deep state, we are now in such a meaningless situation.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 12:23
by botsing
mtrman, we already know your subjective feeling about this subject.

You seem to assume we all feel and think the same as you do, which we don't. So you repeating it forever will not change our standpoint since we do not share your mindset, the only direct result is that we dismiss everything in your posts due to it making little sense to us.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 12:57
by mtrman
Botsing I think you are most probably an adult, so it is disappointing for me to have to write below most basic facts:

Of course every human has unique feelings and thoughts. But the real life truths are independent from those feelings and thoughts.

Even though Turkish Republic has not a real problem with some western countries, their politicians' behaviours show that they have with Turkey.

In this regard, those people trying to show Turkey as guilty in those broken relations. What I am trying to do is to expose those lies in this forum.

Those politicians start the problems, show no respect, try to harm Turkey directly or indirectly, AND FINALLY BLAME TURKEY FOR TAKING NECESSARY ACTIONS AND DEFENDING HER INTERESTS.

NOOOO. I WILL TRY TO EXPOSE THOSE LIES....

For example, U.S. deep state may decide to throw Turkey and abandon her as an ally. But then, they need to do it fair: THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE WORLD AND THEIR CITIZENS that THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS DECISION AND STARTED TO OPENLY HARM TURKEY by supporting PKK/YPG...

When you and your politicians become such truthfull and fair AND CONFESS WHAT CAUSED WHAT, then they can do whatever they want... BUT NOT LIE....

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 13:51
by madrat
The nonsense runs deep with this pair.

During the Cold War we hated the communists, but we didn't treat them as dhimmi. Pure bigotry.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 14:05
by botsing
mtrman wrote:NOOOO. I WILL TRY TO EXPOSE THOSE LIES....

So let me get this straight: you want to feel betrayed and you want the whole world to know that you feel betrayed?

And not only that, you also want all leaders from all countries in the world to openly state they made you feel betrayed?

Quite a crusade...

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 14:27
by mtrman
You are funny. Still trying to play with words like a child.

I mention "truth", you say "feelings".

I mention "some western politicians", you say "all politicians, all world".

:D

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 17:13
by botsing
mtrman wrote:I mention "some western politicians", you say "all politicians, all world".

So you want to have you those "facts" that you feel about this betrayal confirmed in public by "some western politicians"?

Something tells me that your worldviews are either not quite realistic or that you are using this site to spread your political agenda. Maybe both?

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 17:51
by mtrman
Botsing, I am just an individual who is trying expose lies and giving some clue about the solid facts in my country, in this region in those horrible times.

As a long time reader of this very nice website, this is what I can do. I can't deal with liar CNN, Fox, RT, PressTV, etc. But it is success for me that one another individual like me reads those posts, wonder what is really happening, and make a basic google search regarding who did what, who really betrayed her ally and what happened then.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 18:11
by sprstdlyscottsmn
So a basic Google search turns up that the PKK is still a Communilist group that no longer preaches Marxism and is listed as a terrorist organization by the US. The vast majority of their supplies are Russian. They do have some US equipment that appears to have been part of an arms smuggling operation.

So a "basic google search" shows they are no longer Marxist, are not openly supplied by the US, and are not openly supported by the US.

Just saying.

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 18:16
by ChippyHo
:wtf: Can we get back to our regularly scheduled programing????
Namely talking about F-16's??? :thanks:

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 18:30
by mtrman
ChippyHo wrote::wtf: Can we get back to our regularly scheduled programing????
Namely talking about F-16's??? :thanks:


Sorry @ChippyHo, I saw your post little bit late. I fully agree with you. But it is not easy to stay silent with those Turkish/Muslim haters around with their big lies... Sorry again...

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Unread postPosted: 23 Jan 2018, 19:02
by nutshell
First of all, airforce_freak is posting nothing but news about turkey retaliating against the US in a way or in another; also he blatantly support them to the point he is craving for an open conflict (which is by itself "going full retard" on a cosmic scale but w/e).

I don't neee you BSing me whether he means it or not; it's crystal clear so please don't bother.

Furthermore i literally dont give a single f.ck about turkish reasoning. You people have your own agenda, west got another one to push. Just that. Let's part ways.

P.s.: the terrorist arming part. Please no. Keep it yourself.

P.p.s: i dont like muslims generally speaking; but i've never ever spent a single hateful word against Iran, Qatar, UAE and so on. Guess why.

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Unread postPosted: 24 Jan 2018, 02:16
by botsing
XanderCrews wrote:But what kind of group are They again? My Google is broken

My Google-Fu taught me, among other things, that women make up around 40% of the YPG.

So Turkey is bombing Women now, lets welcome them to this new age...

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Unread postPosted: 24 Jan 2018, 04:31
by sprstdlyscottsmn
botsing wrote:So Turkey is bombing Women now, lets welcome them to this new age...

I will say this much, if you think a woman can't be a stone cold killer than you are wrong.

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Unread postPosted: 25 Jan 2018, 19:57
by mtrman
@nutshell

nutshell wrote:...
Furthermore i literally dont give a single f.ck about turkish reasoning. You people have your own agenda, west got another one to push. Just that. Let's part ways.
...


This is more or less what I am trying to tell. It can be understood that all parties have different interests. But, it is unacceptible to badly betray and harm your ally and then blame her for being not loyal.

nutshell wrote:P.s.: the terrorist arming part. Please no. Keep it yourself.


Come on man, this is the biggest source of problem that is hurting Turkey. And yes, I even don't mention FETO group and their coup attempt. Those two groups are now carefully protected by our ally, U.S.

nutshell wrote:P.p.s: i dont like muslims generally speaking; but i've never ever spent a single hateful word against Iran, Qatar, UAE and so on. Guess why.


I don't have any negative feelings against any member of religion. But still respect you. Because, to be frank, when we consider how almost all the muslim nations suffered so much wars, poverty and lack of education for the last two centuries, it is a fact that muslim world doesn't represent a very nice view today.

But some of the countries you have mentioned.... For example Iran... I am sure you like them a lot... It is a country which always try to back-stab other muslim countries... A terrible state which only have an agenda of Persian expansion... Since the last four centuries which they first appeared in history....

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Unread postPosted: 25 Jan 2018, 20:05
by mtrman
botsing wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:But what kind of group are They again? My Google is broken

My Google-Fu taught me, among other things, that women make up around 40% of the YPG.

So Turkey is bombing Women now, lets welcome them to this new age...


You don't seem to have reached some realities. Here is some of woman you have mentioned and a high ranking PKK/YPG terrorist:

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Did you like???

Can you see how happy he is???

I actually should have used the images which don't show those girls face. But I wanted you to see how child they are. But even posting those photos hurt me and many Turkish people like me. Because they are our sisters, girls, our children... But they got fooled and trapped in the hands of those bast..ds.

Please, even for the sake of some basic humanity, don't support those terrorists because of your hatred against somebody else...

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 00:01
by airforces_freak
mtrman wrote:Please, even for the sake of some basic humanity, don't support those terrorists because of your hatred against somebody else...


If only the American people knew who its Government has allied with. This is a scandal which reminds me of the Iran-Contra Affair!




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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 01:59
by madrat
Genocide is what you support. The Kurdish people deserve sovereignty no less than any other human life. You're proposing that Turkey crossing into Syria and Iraq to kill Kurds is something honorable. Nobody is going to change your mind. You're obvious immune to any other viewpoint.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 02:40
by airforces_freak
madrat wrote:Genocide is what you support. The Kurdish people deserve sovereignty no less than any other human life. You're proposing that Turkey crossing into Syria and Iraq to kill Kurds is something honorable. Nobody is going to change your mind. You're obvious immune to any other viewpoint.


That narrative is very old. If Turkey is committing genocide initiative a prosecution at the UN like you have done for Yugoslavia etc. Both you and I know very well who and what Turkey is targeting.

If the US has suddenly decided to give every ethnic group a sovereign nation of its own it can start with its own backyard and give the Native Indians a sovereign State, the African Americans a sovereign State etc. But we both know that the US wants to bring "democracy" to those territories which are of strategic interest or have natural resources. The world has woken up to this game and will reject any US/Western interference in the region. The State of Israel in 1946 has created enough war and boodshed in the region we don't need another Middle East issue. Ethnic groups need to learn to live within nation States just like everyone else.

You cannot create States for every ethnic and religious group in the Middle East but seek to defend your multi-cultural nation States at home. It quite simply does not work like that. The US or Wester Powers are not the global police and cannot dictate who gets a State of their own. If the US continues to insist on Nation building it will eventually find its self faced with a nuclear war. Every Middle Eastern State would seek to obtain nuclear weapons and it is not very hard for them to do so. Turkey can turn to Pakistan, Iran can turn to Russia or China. This policy is now affecting global peace and can escalate into a hot war any moment.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 02:49
by airforces_freak
Turkey's T-129's get first combat experience in Afrin...




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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 03:13
by airforces_freak
LATEST NEWS: Turkey formally informs the United States of America that it needs to withdraw its forces from Manbij immediately due to imminent operations there. Turkey adds it will not be responsible if US personnel are caught in cross fire:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKBN1FG0FY
https://www.voanews.com/a/turkey-us-syr ... 27569.html

Mr. Putin must be laughing.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 07:52
by beepa
Meh... The US has also said it will defend itself of course, and the US has air assets to back them up. Surely Turkey would not be so silly.....or would they???

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 08:15
by airforces_freak
beepa wrote:Meh... The US has also said it will defend itself of course, and the US has air assets to back them up. Surely Turkey would not be so silly.....or would they???


Turkey would not be so assertive if it did not have Russian + Chinese backing.

This Syria issue is going to lead to a World War and people do not realise it. Its a proxy war of Regional Powers. Russia+China+Turkey+Iran+Pakistan are basically allying together to oust the US from the Middle East.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 10:51
by mtrman
@airforces_freak

This thread and some others truly prove that,some ill-minded people who has Turkish/Muslim hatred doesn't care about realities, but only tries to make black-propaganda and lies shamelessly. They allege some bul***t, then I reply with clues and facts, then they forget their allegation and jump to another false topic.

It is not my job to advise you what to write, but they are clearly diverting the topic to endless political discussions to jam the real issues. So, let's concentrate on the technical and tactical issues here, and slam the rock solid facts to their shameless faces:

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 11:25
by pmi
Forum etiquette

Avoid politics and religion.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 15:04
by XanderCrews
No idea how you folks are posting about Putin laughing while threatening the US, and then are surprised when the Americans here suddenly become turk Muslim "haters"

I wonder Why? Why would turkey openly threatening the US, an ally get people upset? HE WONDERED IN CAPS LOCK.

No idea how this thread hasn't been locked down, and I'm still trying to figure out how air forces freak hasn't been banned.

I guess this is F-16.net now. This is the future. Turkish propagandists spamming the forum with their politics and military bragging while complaining anyone who disagrees hates Muslims. It really sparks open discussion too!

What a time to be alive!

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 20:09
by botsing
Why are these two people pretending to be Turks still around?

It is clear they do not want a discussion but just a platform to spread their polarizing political ideas. It's not what this site is for and they actually break several forum rules over and over again.

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 20:42
by loke
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 82266.html

Terrible, and very sad.

Also, I don't understand -- are the Turks not using PGMs? AFAIK there is no air defence to worry about. Furthermore, I thought Turkey had good intel gathering capabilities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-2

They also have Herons, and several domestically developed UAVs -- and of course their fighter jets have advanced recce pods in addition... and presumably they also have people on the ground!?

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 21:07
by XanderCrews
loke wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afrin-turkey-invasion-syria-enclave-kurds-ypg-airstrike-war-civil-a8182266.html

Terrible, and very sad.

Also, I don't understand -- are the Turks not using PGMs? AFAIK there is no air defence to worry about. Furthermore, I thought Turkey had good intel gathering capabilities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-2

They also have Herons, and several domestically developed UAVs -- and of course their fighter jets have advanced recce pods in addition... and presumably they also have people on the ground!?



Because they are not particularly competent. If mid east forces were as good as their gear they'd be phenomenal.
Lots of people I know have been advisors, I've trained some midbeast people here in the states. They have poor leadership, crap troops and no NCO corps.

You can buy stuff, that's the easy part

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 21:11
by XanderCrews
mtrman wrote:If you are not a *****, then go to the beginning of this thread and tell us what @xander_crews posted after a few news posts of @af_freak...

If you have little honor, do this and tell us!!!


I'm pretty sure I posted the US and turkey wouldn't go to war (unfortunately)

And that turkey would bomb civilians.

Doing great so far. Now stop calling out other's honor on the internet

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 21:36
by rheonomic
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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 21:40
by mtrman
XanderCrews wrote:
mtrman wrote:If you are not a *****, then go to the beginning of this thread and tell us what @xander_crews posted after a few news posts of @af_freak...

If you have little honor, do this and tell us!!!


I'm pretty sure I posted the US and turkey wouldn't go to war (unfortunately)

And that turkey would bomb civilians.

Doing great so far. Now stop calling out other's honor on the internet


You are still doing the same... You lie, I try to expose... You divert the topic to black political propaganda, I try to expose, then you blame me and airforces_freak by going political... Apart from all of these, you even don't hide your hatred by above sentence ("... go to war (unfortunately)...") and still talk about violating the rules....

It shows that you go crazy when somebody expose your lies and your real purpose...

@loke, I hope not a single civilian gets harmed. And you probably know that it is still possible unfortunately, even though a lot of effort is spent.

That being said, I can tell you that the progress of operation was slow for the last 5-6 days. Do you know why? Because the weather over the area was bad and densely clouded. And this prevented the gathering of precision intel by UAVs and also the precision strikes by LGBs. If Turkey hadn't care about civilian casualties, I can assure you that this anti-terror operation would have gone further without caring about precision intel and precision strikes.

Another very important topic is, we are still not immune to false news or false propaganda. Can somebody tell me how a whole building demolishes, but a few shoes stay intacted on the walls of it???

Below are just a few other examples:
http://www.ensonhaber.com/pkkpyds-black-propaganda.html

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Unread postPosted: 28 Jan 2018, 23:04
by rheonomic
We really should pull the B-61s out of Incirlik...

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 01:54
by airforces_freak
rheonomic wrote:We really should pull the B-61s out of Incirlik...


Unofficially, the B-61's have been relocated to Romania at Turkey's request.
Officially, Neither Turkey nor NATO or the US officially comments on NATO's Nuclear Sharing Policy.

Unofficially, Turkey no longer relies on a US Nuclear deterrence as it has indicated that it has an alternative nuclear umbrella. The alternative is of Pakistani origin. The B-61's were tactical nukes wheres Pakistani nukes are Strategic nukes which have MIRV capability. Turkey is growing more assertive day by day due to its undeclared nuclear deterrence. One would note that Russia did not retaliate when Turkey shot down its aircraft even though NATO said this did not activate the alliances mutual defence commitments.

Officially, Turkey is a member of the NPT that supports nuclear disarmament.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 02:04
by airforces_freak
loke wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afrin-turkey-invasion-syria-enclave-kurds-ypg-airstrike-war-civil-a8182266.html

Terrible, and very sad.

Also, I don't understand -- are the Turks not using PGMs? AFAIK there is no air defence to worry about. Furthermore, I thought Turkey had good intel gathering capabilities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürk-2

They also have Herons, and several domestically developed UAVs -- and of course their fighter jets have advanced recce pods in addition... and presumably they also have people on the ground!?


Nothing but propaganda. PsyOPs to pressure Turkey into withdrawing. These images have been debunked yet the PsyOps continues.

In any event 1 million civilians lost their lives during Operation Iraqi Freedom. The US "accidentally" bomb weddings and hospitals. No one says a thing. Civilian casualties are inevitable in any war.

Turkey has over 100 Male UAV's with COMINT/ELINT. On top of this it has Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA and 3 Intelligence Satellites.

Turkey is probably one of a handful of countries which has true network centricity and data fusion giving it real time situational awareness/analysis of multiple conflicts.

Below is just one of many Data Fusion bunkers operated by the Turkish Presidency throughout Turkey and Turkish bases abroad.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 02:31
by XanderCrews
mtrman wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
mtrman wrote:If you are not a *****, then go to the beginning of this thread and tell us what @xander_crews posted after a few news posts of @af_freak...

If you have little honor, do this and tell us!!!


I'm pretty sure I posted the US and turkey wouldn't go to war (unfortunately)

And that turkey would bomb civilians.

Doing great so far. Now stop calling out other's honor on the internet


You are still doing the same... You lie, I try to expose... You divert the topic to black political propaganda, I try to expose, then you blame me and airforces_freak by going political... Apart from all of these, you even don't hide your hatred by above sentence ("... go to war (unfortunately)...") and still talk about violating the rules....

It shows that you go crazy when somebody expose your lies and your real purpose...

@loke, I hope not a single civilian gets harmed. And you probably know that it is still possible unfortunately, even though a lot of effort is spent.

That being said, I can tell you that the progress of operation was slow for the last 5-6 days. Do you know why? Because the weather over the area was bad and densely clouded. And this prevented the gathering of precision intel by UAVs and also the precision strikes by LGBs. If Turkey hadn't care about civilian casualties, I can assure you that this anti-terror operation would have gone further without caring about precision intel and precision strikes.

Another very important topic is, we are still not immune to false news or false propaganda. Can somebody tell me how a whole building demolishes, but a few shoes stay intacted on the walls of it???

Below are just a few other examples:
http://www.ensonhaber.com/pkkpyds-black-propaganda.html


Where did I lie? And "go crazy"? Am i typing in all caps with giant walls of text over an over again?

I'm trying to give you guys credit for bombing civilians. Take a compliment. If that's all you can do, be proud of yourselves.


And you and air forces freak need to compare notes because you deny civilians are being hit and he says they are and that' just natural and justified in fact since the U.S. does it.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 02:35
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:

Civilian casualties are inevitable in any war.




So we agree civilians are being hit? It's not all propoganda?


Nothing is said when the US bombs civilians? What?

Pretty sure a lot is and was said when the US bombs civilians. Pretty sure.



I'm just wondering where all this Turkish competency came from. I've never seen any of it first hand and neither had my friends when we had to teach basics. Wish it was around sooner, would have made my job a lot easier.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:22
by airforces_freak
XanderCrews wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:

Civilian casualties are inevitable in any war.




So we agree civilians are being hit? It's not all propoganda?


Nothing is said when the US bombs civilians? What?

Pretty sure a lot is and was said when the US bombs civilians. Pretty sure.



I'm just wondering where all this Turkish competency came from. I've never seen any of it first hand and neither had my friends when we had to teach basics. Wish it was around sooner, would have made my job a lot easier.


XanderCrews you have a special gift of distorting facts and statements to support your distorted narrative which leads me to believe that you have an intelligence background.

Firstly, let me highlight a small fact: there is a major difference between TARGETING civilians with specific intent and operational mistakes which result in accidental civilian deaths. The former is a war crime the later is an unfortunate product of war.

The Turkish Chief of the General Staff has stated in various press releases that the YPG is using civilians as human shields making their job very hard. They have reported finding kidnapped children chained to guns.

If you are looking for war crimes look no further than your allies: the YPG who uses child soldiers.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:36
by rheonomic
airforces_freak wrote:XanderCrews you have a special gift of distorting facts and statements to support your distorted narrative which leads me to believe that you have an intelligence background.


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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:42
by XanderCrews
airforces_freak wrote:
XanderCrews you have a special gift of distorting facts and statements to support your distorted narrative


I think I just got sucked into an irony vortex.


which leads me to believe that you have an intelligence background.


I would say that belief really demonstrates your critical thinking, and judgement.

Firstly, let me highlight a small fact: there is a major difference between TARGETING civilians with specific intent and operational mistakes which result in accidental civilian deaths. The former is a war crime the later is an unfortunate product of war.


but you also said:


The US "accidentally" bomb weddings and hospitals. No one says a thing. Civilian casualties are inevitable in any war.


so it looks like Turkey is "accidentally" doing the same thing now? Turkey is committing war crimes?


The Turkish Chief of the General Staff has stated in various press releases that the YPG is using civilians as human shields making their job very hard. They have reported finding kidnapped children chained to guns.


all these pictures of kids and you couldn't post one of these chained children? thats embarrassing.

If you are looking for war crimes look no further than your allies: the YPG who uses child soldiers.


My "allies?"

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:45
by rheonomic
XanderCrews wrote:
which leads me to believe that you have an intelligence background.


I would say that belief really demonstrates your critical thinking, and judgement.


Space Shuttle Door Gunner, right?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:46
by XanderCrews
rheonomic wrote:
airforces_freak wrote:XanderCrews you have a special gift of distorting facts and statements to support your distorted narrative which leads me to believe that you have an intelligence background.


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Believe me I'm flattered. :mrgreen: With this kind of detective work, and sound mind and knowledge Airforcesfreak has demonstrated before on this very forum, only to be corrected and rebuked by SMEs on these forums...

You can just trust him. 100 percent LOL



I have a very simple formula i worked out. A coin is a 50/50 proposition. heads or tails. In order for me to take someone seriously, they must be right more often than the coin. Its a simple theory I know, but you would be shocked how many "experts" the coin beats. How many "experts" get it right less than half the time. Air Forces freak is often beaten by the coin

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 03:48
by XanderCrews
rheonomic wrote:
Space Shuttle Door Gunner, right?


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Ya gotta love how there are people in this thread that are accusing the US of deliberately massacring 1 million Iraqis, but say they are being discriminated against (anti Turk islamophobes) when people point out civilians are being hit by the Turkish military, even when some of them agree.


So the standard is: accusing the US of killing a million Iraqis? no problem, not anti american. being in a "de facto" war with the US? sure, why not?

but any implication that any civilians are being hit by the Turkish military is discrimination based on race and nationality?

And the people in this thread are surprised no one takes them seriously?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 07:24
by mtrman
pmi wrote:
mtrman wrote:@pmi, are you a joke? Don't you read the previous posts and see who are diverting the Operational news and posts into the political black propaganda????

I also don't fully understand the some other threads initiated by @af_freak. But this thread is not one of them.

If you are not a *****, then go to the beginning of this thread and tell us what @xander_crews posted after a few news posts of @af_freak...

If you have little honor, do this and tell us!!!


So instead of actually being part of the solution you would rather behave like a child & exacerbate the problem.

Grow up.


@pmi, you have blamed me for going political, but I was actually answering the black political propaganda of @xander and a few others. So I requested you to go to the beginning of the thread and see who is writing what. No need to read whole thread. Even after 6-7 posts, you could see who is writing what. Is it so hard to do that? At least you could kindly excuse for blaming the wrong person. But now you are saying I am not part of the solution.

Please don't get afraid to write what @xander is doing.

I think so many posts in this thread already show every writer's intentions. Any objective reader will decide herself/himself.

So let's only post operational news and technical aspects. Let's just ignore any attempt of diverting the topic into politics.

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 11:22
by airforces_freak
Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) (Kongra-Gel):
aim(s): establish Kurdistan, which comprises territory in northern Syria

area(s) of operation: operational in the north combating ISIL, primarily in the Kurdish-populated region known as Rojava and Syrian Kurdistan; Salih MUSLIM Muhammad leads Kurdistan Workers Party's Syrian wing, the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD); majority of fighters inside Syria are Syrian Kurds, along with Kurds from Iran, Turkey, and Iraq


The US Central Intelligence Agency also views the PYD as a terrorist organisation.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... os/sy.html

Turkey's NATO allies host Salih Muslim, a terrorist leader at their palaces in defiance of their own laws.

http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=14386

And then NATO/US complains that Turkey is being too critical. How would you feel if Turkey hosted Al-Bagdadi at the Presidential Palace?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 14:28
by XanderCrews
mtrman wrote:@pmi, you have blamed me for going political, but I was actually answering the black political propaganda of @xander and a few others. So I requested you to go to the beginning of the thread and see who is writing what. No need to read whole thread. Even after 6-7 posts, you could see who is writing what. Is it so hard to do that? At least you could kindly excuse for blaming the wrong person. But now you are saying I am not part of the solution.

Please don't get afraid to write what @xander is doing.

I think so many posts in this thread already show every writer's intentions. Any objective reader will decide herself/himself.

So let's only post operational news and technical aspects. Let's just ignore any attempt of diverting the topic into politics.


Anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of black political propaganda?

How reasonable, logical.

There is someone on this thread who seems to be undoing all your good hearted attempts at explaining this, and it isn't me. You may want to talk with your fellow turk there. He's making you both seem foolish.

I've been on this forum a while, I like to think that although I am rough around the edges, I am honest and speak the truth the best i know how.

So the notion that I'm here solely as a propogandist out to hurt your wonderful nation is rather absurd. Get over yourself. You're not that important.

I'm no cop, but I can see when people are acting guilty, and it doesn't help that your fellow Turk there can't seem to get your stories straight.

I'll continue to post my observations, and if your skin is that thin, you can keep posting walls of text complete with CAPS LOCK. The more you say the more people are. And they can make their own decisions

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 15:22
by mtrman
XanderCrews wrote:
mtrman wrote:@pmi, you have blamed me for going political, but I was actually answering the black political propaganda of @xander and a few others. So I requested you to go to the beginning of the thread and see who is writing what. No need to read whole thread. Even after 6-7 posts, you could see who is writing what. Is it so hard to do that? At least you could kindly excuse for blaming the wrong person. But now you are saying I am not part of the solution.

Please don't get afraid to write what @xander is doing.

I think so many posts in this thread already show every writer's intentions. Any objective reader will decide herself/himself.

So let's only post operational news and technical aspects. Let's just ignore any attempt of diverting the topic into politics.


Anyone who disagrees with you is guilty of black political propaganda?

How reasonable, logical.

There is someone on this thread who seems to be undoing all your good hearted attempts at explaining this, and it isn't me. You may want to talk with your fellow turk there. He's making you both seem foolish.

I've been on this forum a while, I like to think that although I am rough around the edges, I am honest and speak the truth the best i know how.

So the notion that I'm here solely as a propogandist out to hurt your wonderful nation is rather absurd. Get over yourself. You're not that important.

I'm no cop, but I can see when people are acting guilty, and it doesn't help that your fellow Turk there can't seem to get your stories straight.

I'll continue to post my observations, and if your skin is that thin, you can keep posting walls of text complete with CAPS LOCK. The more you say the more people are. And they can make their own decisions


@xander, you may not agree, you may not like. But why to hate, why to irritate? And why to insult?

As I already wrote before, the style of @af_freak is also not very familiar to me. But you and a few others really doing their best to make him off-line.

This thread is more or less about vipers in an operation. So why to try to divert the topic? What is in your first post at the beginning of the thread?

I really don't like such polemics and conversations. It takes my time, gives me negative energy and I have other things to do. But don't you realize that you trying to harrass a country and her citizens? So how do you expect us not to respond?

If a few grown adults (you, me, others...) who are most probably well educated and have some insight about life can't agree even about SOME of real life facts and don't show respect to each other, then what are we doing here???

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 18:08
by botsing
mtrman wrote:This thread is more or less about vipers in an operation.

I could have sworn that this thread is about showing off Turkish supremacy without any option to questioning it. All who do not accept this paper thin story you call liars, haters, irratators, insultists, communists and terrorists. :roll:

So may I ask you a question: who are you aiming this at? I mean, you sure must know that F-16.net is not a place where rhetorical politics wil change anyone's mind, so this "news" is clearly not meant for us.


And what about this gem:
mtrman wrote:So let's only post operational news and technical aspects. Let's just ignore any attempt of diverting the topic into politics.

First post of mrtman in this thread:
mtrman wrote:Okay, this thread may not be fully compatible with this forum, since this is mostly a military&political event, not a specific military issue.

Say what again?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 19:59
by XanderCrews
mtrman wrote:@xander, you may not agree, you may not like. But why to hate, why to irritate? And why to insult?


If the truth is insulting, I'm not your problem.

Air forces freak comes in here and acts like the Turks are some crack force. When presented with evidence that shoes otherwise, and combined with my own experience, I'm not buying it, even if he has. No Mount of youtube propoganda is going to change that.

I'm not compelled to buy into delusion even when others have.

I'm not obligated to parrot propoganda that goes against what I've seen personally. This would seem to make me out of fashion with Turkey.

I can live with that. Why can't you?


This thread is more or less about vipers in an operation. So why to try to divert the topic? What is in your first post at the beginning of the thread?


Don't get it twisted. Air forces freaks posts things that are more politics than planes. He's constantly posting stuff like this complete with his inane chatter. When rebuffed or corrected he doubles down.

Mentioning an F-16 doesn't suddenly make the thread about F-16 especially when you and he are going to take the thread elsewhere.

It's obvious and transparent which makes it all the more funny when he and you think you are being clever.

"Let's go on political diatribes and then slip 'F-16' in there then pretend it's about airplanes!!"

Please.


I really don't like such polemics and conversations. It takes my time, gives me negative energy and I have other things to do. But don't you realize that you trying to harrass a country and her citizens? So how do you expect us not to respond?


Really?


If a few grown adults (you, me, others...) who are most probably well educated and have some insight about life can't agree even about SOME of real life facts and don't show respect to each other, then what are we doing here???



What are you doing here?

In closing, I truly enjoy watching people with no respect for civilians bring hurt and killed and then play the victim card on an internet forum. How much sympathy do you expect to get exactly?

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Unread postPosted: 29 Jan 2018, 20:11
by XanderCrews
botsing wrote:
mtrman wrote:This thread is more or less about vipers in an operation.

I could have sworn that this thread is about showing off Turkish supremacy without any option to questioning it. All who do not accept this paper thin story you call liars, haters, irratators, insultists, communists and terrorists. :roll:



Nails it.

You can tell with this amount of vitriol and single mindedness this country is bound for great things

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 06:24
by durahawk
To me, the really ironic thing about this is that if Turkey had acted this decisively with ground forces in Northern Syria to combat the rapid expansion of ISIS back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

The fact that Turkey finds the Kurds far more dangerous to its boarder security than ISIS speaks volumes.

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Unread postPosted: 30 Jan 2018, 06:59
by mtrman
durahawk wrote:To me, the really ironic thing about this is that if Turkey had acted this decisively with ground forces in Northern Syria to combat the rapid expansion of ISIS back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.

The fact that Turkey finds the Kurds far more dangerous to its boarder security than ISIS speaks volumes.


Meaningful question. Thanks.

The conjecture at the times you have mentioned was sooo much different... As one would expect, it was not possible for Turkey to fight Daesh terrorists in Syria without having any agreement with Russia and US at that times. Turkey also had long repeated her willingness to provide ground forces to fight along with US. But you know what US did in reply.

Daesh is a topic that would really disturb some readers here if I write some basic answers and questions. Everything is not like CNN or Fox show us unfortunately...

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Unread postPosted: 31 Jan 2018, 07:38
by airforces_freak
Turkey has allocated another USD $60 billion on 600 new Defence programs: https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2018 ... 00-hit-60b

Below is an infographic of Turkey's Defence programs in 2017.

Syria crisis proves for the Turkish Aerospace Industry.

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Unread postPosted: 06 Feb 2018, 12:53
by marsavian
Crunch time for the US/Turkey 'alliance' as Erdogan lays out all his paranoia.

https://www.trtworld.com/mea/turkey-s-a ... ates-14443

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the US troops should leave Syria’s Manbij as Turkey aims to return the region ‘to its true owners.’

Erdogan said that majority of population in Manbij was Arabs and the city was occupied by the YPG/PKK.

Erdogan urged Washington to explain why it is not taking arms back from the YPG in northern Syria, saying a failure to do so means the US is either 'planning something against us or Russia or Iran.'

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Unread postPosted: 06 Feb 2018, 16:44
by XanderCrews
marsavian wrote:Crunch time for the US/Turkey 'alliance' as Erdogan lays out all his paranoia.

https://www.trtworld.com/mea/turkey-s-a ... ates-14443

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the US troops should leave Syria’s Manbij as Turkey aims to return the region ‘to its true owners.’

Erdogan said that majority of population in Manbij was Arabs and the city was occupied by the YPG/PKK.

Erdogan urged Washington to explain why it is not taking arms back from the YPG in northern Syria, saying a failure to do so means the US is either 'planning something against us or Russia or Iran.'



The mighty turks still havnt crushed them?

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 06 Feb 2018, 18:12
by botsing
marsavian wrote:
Erdogan urged Washington to explain why it is not taking arms back from the YPG in northern Syria

What keeps amazing me, is the demographics these messages are aimed at.

Even a 10 year old kid would know that you cannot just "take back" weapons from a group like YPG, so the people following Erdogan must be a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 06 Feb 2018, 18:41
by XanderCrews
botsing wrote:
marsavian wrote:
Erdogan urged Washington to explain why it is not taking arms back from the YPG in northern Syria

What keeps amazing me, is the demographics these messages are aimed at.

Even a 10 year old kid would know that you cannot just "take back" weapons from a group like YPG, so the people following Erdogan must be a few fries short of a Happy Meal.



Lol. The hardest time to get weapons back is after the shooting starts too.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 08 Feb 2018, 22:29
by geforcerfx
XanderCrews wrote:
Lol. The hardest time to get weapons back is after the shooting starts too.


What are you talking about, just stop giving them bullets problem solved.....

:bang:

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 08 Feb 2018, 22:53
by XanderCrews
geforcerfx wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
Lol. The hardest time to get weapons back is after the shooting starts too.


What are you talking about, just stop giving them bullets problem solved.....

:bang:


Talking about the Turks right?

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 08 Feb 2018, 23:51
by airforces_freak
UPDATE:

After the US attack on SAA forces in Manbij, Russia/Iran/Syria give Turkey free reign in Syrian airspace against the YPG/SDF.

The Turkish Air Force has immediately begun heavy bombardment of Afrin City: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-0 ... 960372.htm

TuAF UCAV's are also flying along the entire Syrian border from Afrin to Kobane.

Syria Live Map reports Turkish combat aircraft are flying above Manbij: https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2018/8-f ... ver-manbij

Turkish media confirms large groups of Turkish F-16's departing Turkish Air bases from across the country.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 13 Feb 2018, 21:47
by marsavian
Sultan is in full cry. This has time to play out before the first F-35 is handed over.

http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/it ... us/1061884

"What kind of NATO membership is this? What kind of NATO alliance is this?" he asked.

"As president of Turkey, [I say] NATO is not equal to the U.S., all countries [in the alliance] are equals to the U.S."

Erdogan also slammed remarks of Lt. Gen. Paul E. Funk, the top U.S. commander in the anti-Daesh coalition, who said if Turkey hits Manbij it would face a sharp response.

"Those who say they will give a sharp response have not been hit by the Ottoman slap," the president said.

Erdogan also drew attention to recent natural gas exploration activities of Greek Cypriots, terming them as "opportunist attempts" in the Aegean Sea.

"Those who crossed their limits in Cyprus and the Aegean Sea should not make any miscalculation while taking advantage of the concentration of the incident in the southern borders of our country," he said.

He warned that Turkey would break such miscalculations around Cyprus and the Aegean Sea as it did along the country's southern borders.

"We suggest the foreign companies conducting activities around Cyprus not to be an instrument to any works which exceed their limits and powers by trusting the Greek side," he added.

"Their swagger will end when they see our army, warships, warplanes," he said.

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 16 Feb 2018, 17:14
by marsavian
Turkey, US reach 'understanding' to normalize ties saying they will act jointly in Syria from now on.

http://aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/turkey- ... es/1065105
https://www.rt.com/news/418978-us-turke ... son-visit/ (last link includes the Tillerson press conference)

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 20 Feb 2018, 16:23
by marsavian
Events just took another turn ...

https://www.trtworld.com/mea/turkey-s-a ... ates-14443

February 20:

Day 32 of Turkey's Operation Olive Branch in Afrin

14:44 GMT:

Syrian TV says Turkish forces shelling area where pro-Assad militants have entered Afrin enclave, journalists flee, the Associated Press reported.

13:50 GMT:

Pro-Assad militants, so-called "Popular Forces" have started to enter the Afrin region in northwest Syria coming from Aleppo, Reuters reported citing a military media unit run by the regime's ally Hezbollah.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43131600

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Feb 2018, 01:33
by nutshell
They forbid an italian drilling ship owned by ENI to enter Cyprus waters to do its thing.

Ofc, ENI had all the agreements necessary to act in the exclusive economic zone of Cyprus itself.

Sheer high quality ally there :/

#freeaegisforgreeceanditaly

Re: Turkish Air Force launches Op. Olive Branch with 72 figh

Unread postPosted: 21 Feb 2018, 02:00
by marsavian
Turkey is in dispute over the EEZ claiming that islands should not have the same rights as coastal countries as well as wanting Turkish Cypriot interests represented. This is how China is behaving in the South China Sea. Turkey will never be allowed in the EU at this rate with this rapacious behaviour.

Greek/Armenian American efforts to block F-35 sales.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/225918/arti ... f-35-sales