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Please, cast your vote for the best option in the HX Fighter Competition in Finland.

Sorry, when I added "other" to the poll. It somehow deleted two of the members votes for the F-35....

Which "other" do you recommend? ("Other" has one vote.)

sferrin wrote:Which "other" do you recommend? ("Other" has one vote.)

I second that....

what is the point of such a vote in a very F-35 oriented forum? It's like running a poll asking whether India is a superpower or not on Indian Defence Forum.

f4u7_corsair wrote:what is the point of such a vote in a very F-35 oriented forum? It's like running a poll asking whether India is a superpower or not on Indian Defence Forum.

Your missing the point....The poll isn't to crown a single winner. It's to find out what the majority really think???

The majority of F-16/35 forum members? I'm right on the point actually This poll would have as much value as on a Rafale blog or a Eurofighter commercial website, that'd be none.

f4u7_corsair wrote:The majority of F-16/35 forum members? I'm right on the point actually This poll would have as much value as on a Rafale blog or a Eurofighter commercial website, that'd be none.

Honestly, what is your problem??? Nobody said this was a scientific poll. I posted it to gauge what the majority of the members of "this forum think". Why??? Maybe because I value their opinion!


If, you don't like that. Then go find someplace else to play.......

f4u7_corsair wrote:what is the point of such a vote in a very F-35 oriented forum? It's like running a poll asking whether India is a superpower or not on Indian Defence Forum.

Very true.

However, unless requirements don't take into account things like suvivability and per unit cost, it's a no-brainer among these contenders. The F-35 is cheaper (in some cases, a LOT cheaper) than any of the alternatives. It's CPFH is high(er) than many aircraft its replacing, but that number is only coming down. Survivability? No other aircraft on this list comes close. Interoperability with the rest of NATO? Ditto.

Lockheed Martin has simply built a better mouse trap. Simple as that really, and only politics can lead one to the conclusion that it's not the right aircraft for Finland (or Canada and others for that matter).

f4u7_corsair wrote:The majority of F-16/35 forum members? I'm right on the point actually This poll would have as much value as on a Rafale blog or a Eurofighter commercial website, that'd be none.

A lot of members here are biased, but I think the population stands out quite a bit compared to the average forum as the percentage of actual pilots, maintainers and people with actual related know-how (aerodynamics, radars...) is quite high.
Besides, the opinion of the public on these matters should not and does not matter as we're not privy to all the relevant information anyway; so why get up in arms?
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Maybe our Finnish members can ask the same on their local defense forums?

juretrn wrote:

f4u7_corsair wrote:The majority of F-16/35 forum members? I'm right on the point actually This poll would have as much value as on a Rafale blog or a Eurofighter commercial website, that'd be none.

A lot of members here are biased, but I think the population stands out quite a bit compared to the average forum as the percentage of actual pilots, maintainers and people with actual related know-how (aerodynamics, radars...) is quite high.
Besides, the opinion of the public on these matters should not and does not matter as we're not privy to all the relevant information anyway; so why get up in arms?
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Maybe our Finnish members can ask the same on their local defense forums?

On the largest local forum, F-35 is leading with 51.5% of the votes, Gripen E is second with 23.4%.

juretrn wrote:

f4u7_corsair wrote:The majority of F-16/35 forum members? I'm right on the point actually This poll would have as much value as on a Rafale blog or a Eurofighter commercial website, that'd be none.

A lot of members here are biased, but I think the population stands out quite a bit compared to the average forum as the percentage of actual pilots, maintainers and people with actual related know-how (aerodynamics, radars...) is quite high.
Besides, the opinion of the public on these matters should not and does not matter as we're not privy to all the relevant information anyway; so why get up in arms?
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Maybe our Finnish members can ask the same on their local defense forums?

We all have some level of bias. Yet, in this case that hardly means the majority is wrong....

Interesting that no one selected the Typhoon but did pick the Rafale???

I see three members that selected "others".


Does anyone want to share their choice and the reasons why???

Corsair1963 wrote:I see three members that selected "others".


Does anyone want to share their choice and the reasons why???

I did not vote for that, but not many real possibilities. I could see a case for F-16 Block 70 if F-35 wasn't available. Russian aircraft are out of the question and I really doubt we'd go for Chinese aircraft. KAI-FX is too troubled and might not see service ever. TAI TF-X is also not really a possible option for many reasons.

hornetfinn wrote:
I did not vote for that, but not many real possibilities. I could see a case for F-16 Block 70 if F-35 wasn't available. Russian aircraft are out of the question and I really doubt we'd go for Chinese aircraft. KAI-FX is too troubled and might not see service ever. TAI TF-X is also not really a possible option for many reasons.

Well, at least three members had an alternative....

Griphen ; Obsolete at concept and even more so today. No big production run, and has not proven anything yet. They tried to sell it, then the UK tried to sell it, and now finally, they have found some victims for a limited production run.

F-18 : So obsolete it is obsolete to say it has become obsolete.

Rafale : When you have spare money to spend and a bank to pay for the spare parts.

Tiffy's come with a cordless drill to redrill all holes to correct diameter and some oversize bolts. Then try to beat the Germans and get more then 4 (out of 128) combat ready.

F-16 could be a cheaper alternative, but F-35 has my vote.

I think the Saab JAS 39 will do it. The F-35 is also very suitable, but I think that the F-35 plane is too expensive.

dianas wrote:I think the Saab JAS 39 will do it. :wink: The F-35 is also very suitable, but I think that the F-35 plane is too expensive.

The F-35 is worth 20+ Gripens. So, please define "too expensive". Especially, in the context of Russia as a major threat to the much smaller Finland...