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Su-35. How the hell it did that?

Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 11:45
by Patriot

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Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 13:22
by marsavian
Probably the best nose pointer of them all, best taken out with missiles at range ;).

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Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 14:00
by sferrin
Patriot wrote:2:14 minute mark :shock:

https://youtu.be/5vTUkLrxPfw


With TVC. You could make a brick do that with TVC.

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Unread postPosted: 13 Nov 2019, 15:42
by Patriot
What speed could he be at? Some 300kts? How these wings did not broke away? From this angle this looks like he just made an u-turn with a car, almost like all the inerital effects were cancelled :doh:

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 06:31
by knowan
It burned a hell of a lot of energy doing that turn; notice that afterwards the plane dived for over 10 seconds before making any more turns.

Also note this was a clean Su-35 with a low fuel load.

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 08:12
by Corsair1963
It's not what they tell you, it's what they don't..... :wink:

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 13:18
by sferrin
knowan wrote:It burned a hell of a lot of energy doing that turn; notice that afterwards the plane dived for over 10 seconds before making any more turns.

Also note this was a clean Su-35 with a low fuel load.


Also he pulled way back on the gas to lose speed before he pulled the turn. Not sure why anybody would think the wings would, "snap off".

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 13:38
by charlielima223
marsavian wrote:Probably the best nose pointer of them all, best taken out with missiles at range ;).


If it does manage to get close, keep the fight at a highspeed depriving it of the ability to point its nose.

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 13:40
by charlielima223
Their demo flights are always amazing to watch. Compared to F-22 or other western fighters, their maneuvers appear more ballistic than acrobatic IMO.

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Unread postPosted: 14 Nov 2019, 15:22
by sprstdlyscottsmn
charlielima223 wrote:Their demo flights are always amazing to watch. Compared to F-22 or other western fighters, their maneuvers appear more ballistic than acrobatic IMO.

I've described it as thus:

Russian Demo: See what Sir Issac Newton can do with this plane?

US Demo: See what a service pilot can do with this plane?

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Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2019, 00:07
by wrightwing
Patriot wrote:What speed could he be at? Some 300kts? How these wings did not broke away? From this angle this looks like he just made an u-turn with a car, almost like all the inerital effects were cancelled :doh:

That wasn't anywhere near 300kts (and was likely not even 200kts.)

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Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2019, 03:52
by sferrin
wrightwing wrote:
Patriot wrote:What speed could he be at? Some 300kts? How these wings did not broke away? From this angle this looks like he just made an u-turn with a car, almost like all the inerital effects were cancelled :doh:

That wasn't anywhere near 300kts (and was likely not even 200kts.)


And would have probably had a good chance of falling out of the sky without TVC.

Looking at it again (several times) I think this one is still more impressive. The F-22 is going right into a climb vs a dive to gain speed back. (2:40)


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Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2019, 09:30
by boilermaker
Patriot wrote:2:14 minute mark :shock:

https://youtu.be/5vTUkLrxPfw


Probably took the limiters away. In vertical climb Indian Mig 21 pilots regularly practice this maneuver against G and AOA limited fly by wire aircrafts which cannot allow this kind of acrobatics. I think that was an article in huskit

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Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2019, 13:58
by mixelflick
knowan wrote:It burned a hell of a lot of energy doing that turn; notice that afterwards the plane dived for over 10 seconds before making any more turns.

Also note this was a clean Su-35 with a low fuel load.


Source for low fuel load? Even if it's only 50%, 50% of a Flankers internal fuel is more than many western fighters can carry in total. 50% is 12,700lbs, or damn close to an F-15's total internal fuel (13, 850). And that's one of the largest Western fighters there is...

I recall seeing at least one Flanker demo with a damn impressive external load. Same for the SH. And if the SH can do it, why not a Flanker with a much better thrust to weight ratio to begin with?

I would agree Russian fighter demo's are much more impressive to watch vs. Western ones, but only if you're the average person. The average person doesn't understand the effect a full AAM loadout would have on performance. They don't understand after pulling a high AOA maneuver off, not re-gaining energy leaves your a sitting duck, or that a plane that loses altitude after such is much less impressive than one gaining altitude.

Which makes the F-35 demo that much more impressive.

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Unread postPosted: 15 Nov 2019, 14:43
by charlielima223
mixelflick wrote:
I recall seeing at least one Flanker demo with a damn impressive external load. Same for the SH. And if the SH can do it, why not a Flanker with a much better thrust to weight ratio to begin with?

I would agree Russian fighter demo's are much more impressive to watch vs. Western ones, but only if you're the average person. The average person doesn't understand the effect a full AAM loadout would have on performance. They don't understand after pulling a high AOA maneuver off, not re-gaining energy leaves your a sitting duck, or that a plane that loses altitude after such is much less impressive than one gaining altitude.

Which makes the F-35 demo that much more impressive.


I think I know what you're talking about. I think it was an Su-30 with inert simulated weapons on it. Very impressive visually but compared to other Flanker demos where they fly clean, it was sluggish.

Both F-35 AND F-22s demos are impressive in their own right. (To me) The F-22 always puts on the best show because its raw power its insane...