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Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 18 Aug 2020, 01:43
by Corsair1963
Fit and Finish doesn't look so good.... :|

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 18 Aug 2020, 17:15
by milosh
Corsair1963 wrote:Fit and Finish doesn't look so good.... :|


There isn't finish because it isn't painted nor treated with RAM. It is naked airframe and "fit" is good, panels don't have gaps nor something is protruding which doesn't need to protrude.

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 19 Aug 2020, 00:23
by charlielima223
milosh wrote:Back to Su-57, high res photo from asembly line of second serial Su-57:


Here is hoping this one doesn't crash and burn during its delivery flight like the first one.

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 19 Aug 2020, 00:57
by Corsair1963
milosh wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:Fit and Finish doesn't look so good.... :|


There isn't finish because it isn't painted nor treated with RAM. It is naked airframe and "fit" is good, panels don't have gaps nor something is protruding which doesn't need to protrude.



Sorry, no it isn't.....

Compare the Chinese J-20...

J20X1.png


...and J-31 in primer

J31X2.jpg


J31X3.jpg


Now compare them to the most recent production pics of the Su-57....

Su-57X.jpg


Su-57X1.jpg


Su-57X2.jpg


Su-57X3.jpg


Su-57X4.jpg

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 19 Aug 2020, 18:15
by milosh
Photos aren't detailed enough to have any real estimate but look this J-20 photo:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/494 ... fcae_k.jpg

there is clear protruding panel edge and that is after all work is done.

Su-57 from production line look like using less screws then J-20:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0EydoKnDl8/ ... /J20-1.jpg

J-31 is league of its own it look like it use most advanced airframe construction in world:
Officials from AVIC claimed that additive manufacturing was extensively used on the aircraft, resulting in 50% reduction in components compared to similar aircraft. However, the resulting airframe cannot be disassembled, and the static test frame had to be transported in whole as a consequence.


From wiki quiting CCTV2

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 20 Aug 2020, 03:39
by Corsair1963
milosh wrote:Photos aren't detailed enough to have any real estimate but look this J-20 photo:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/494 ... fcae_k.jpg

there is clear protruding panel edge and that is after all work is done.

Su-57 from production line look like using less screws then J-20:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O0EydoKnDl8/ ... /J20-1.jpg

J-31 is league of its own it look like it use most advanced airframe construction in world:
Officials from AVIC claimed that additive manufacturing was extensively used on the aircraft, resulting in 50% reduction in components compared to similar aircraft. However, the resulting airframe cannot be disassembled, and the static test frame had to be transported in whole as a consequence.


From wiki quiting CCTV2


J-20 still looks better (quality) than the Su-57 in my opinion. As for the J-31 I would hope they learn something with the development of the J-20 over all of these years...
:wink:

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 20 Aug 2020, 12:07
by madrat
You know what they say about opinions and fart gaps. Everyone has one.

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 20 Aug 2020, 12:36
by mixelflick
Dunno if I'd want to be flying the 2nd production SU-57, especially after what happened to the first.

Speaking of which, their biggest (current) problem IMO is.... What really happened? I've seen speculation shortly after the crash, but absolutely NO word on a formal investigation or official finding. First it was the tail section malfunctioned. Then it was a bug in the flight control software. Engine problems were also mentioned. Which is it? Possibly a combination of all 3??

From the outside, it certainly looks like they're rushing things. I'd imagine the last thing you'd want is to deliver a new aircraft to operational units with a fatal flaw(s). Russians are fond of saying how the SU-35 is "good enough" to deal with competing foreign aircraft, including the F-22/35. If that's the case, why not slow down and do this right?

This doesn't make any sense. Then again, most of the program doesn't...

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 02 Sep 2020, 07:55
by spazsinbad
The HARRY POTTER INVISIBILITY CLOAK for the Felon is GO! : https://sputniknews.com/military/202009 ... ity-cloak/

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 02 Sep 2020, 09:27
by Corsair1963
spazsinbad wrote:The HARRY POTTER INVISIBILITY CLOAK for the Felon is GO! : https://sputniknews.com/military/202009 ... ity-cloak/



LOL :lmao:

Why don't they just keep the Su-57's in a Hanger or HAS....(just saying)

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 02 Sep 2020, 09:33
by charlielima223
spazsinbad wrote:The HARRY POTTER INVISIBILITY CLOAK for the Felon is GO! : https://sputniknews.com/military/202009 ... ity-cloak/




Russian state run media and military propaganda will say just about anything now wont they?

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 02 Sep 2020, 16:01
by mixelflick
Corsair1963 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:The HARRY POTTER INVISIBILITY CLOAK for the Felon is GO! : https://sputniknews.com/military/202009 ... ity-cloak/



LOL :lmao:

Why don't they just keep the Su-57's in a Hanger or HAS....(just saying)


After the first few SDB's hit, "the cloak" is going to die a fast death. Unless... the cloaking devices shield SU-57 from weapon strikes too. Which I suppose given its other groundbreaking tech, shouldn't be all that difficult :)

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 02 Sep 2020, 18:08
by milosh
Corsair1963 wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:The HARRY POTTER INVISIBILITY CLOAK for the Felon is GO! : https://sputniknews.com/military/202009 ... ity-cloak/



LOL :lmao:

Why don't they just keep the Su-57's in a Hanger or HAS....(just saying)


There are some HAS in USSR but they were mostly build for maintenance and to protect nuclear weapons. Most planes are in open, even expensive ones MiG-25/31 and Su-27. Not much changed from then.

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 14 Sep 2020, 20:04
by milosh
prototype vs serial:
Image

Re: Su-57 Felon

Unread postPosted: 15 Sep 2020, 01:36
by Corsair1963
The Su-57 should have been totally redesigned sometime ago. Now it's to late...... :?