Can cruise missile overtake a Jumbo jet?
Boeing 747 can reach top speed of Mach 0.92 at high altitude
A subsonic cruise missile like JSM can reach top speed of Mach 0.95 at sea level with 1:1 T/W.
so can a cruise missile like JSM catch up with a 747 running away at top speed if it is launched from tail aspect ? Assuming the starting distance is 15-20 km apart, and JSM can fly for maximum 550 km in hi-hi-lo profile
If the answear is “it can’t”, does anything change when the engagement started from the beam aspect
How big is the no escape zone if we used a subsonic cruise missile like JSM for anti air purpose against AEW&C such as E-3, DEW carrier such as YAL-1, strategic bombers such as B-52?
I asked these question because the way their IIR seeker with ATA work, you can input anything in their library and they will seek out that
A subsonic cruise missile like JSM can reach top speed of Mach 0.95 at sea level with 1:1 T/W.
so can a cruise missile like JSM catch up with a 747 running away at top speed if it is launched from tail aspect ? Assuming the starting distance is 15-20 km apart, and JSM can fly for maximum 550 km in hi-hi-lo profile
If the answear is “it can’t”, does anything change when the engagement started from the beam aspect
How big is the no escape zone if we used a subsonic cruise missile like JSM for anti air purpose against AEW&C such as E-3, DEW carrier such as YAL-1, strategic bombers such as B-52?
I asked these question because the way their IIR seeker with ATA work, you can input anything in their library and they will seek out that
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We don't have enough information about the missile at this point. We don't know how fast it can go at altitude or what it's maximum altitude is. The 474-8 can do 0.92M at 50,000ft.
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They can't
JSM and NSM both use TR40 engine with 16.400 feet maximum operating altitude
LRASM use F107-WR-105 turbofan engine with 30.000 feet absolute operating altitude
MALD and JSOW-ER use TJ-150 turbojet engine with 29.500 feet maximum operating altitude
JSM and NSM both use TR40 engine with 16.400 feet maximum operating altitude
LRASM use F107-WR-105 turbofan engine with 30.000 feet absolute operating altitude
MALD and JSOW-ER use TJ-150 turbojet engine with 29.500 feet maximum operating altitude
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Excellent work garrya.
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garrya wrote:They can't
JSM and NSM both use TR40 engine with 16.400 feet maximum operating altitude
The NSM uses the TR40, but they switched to Williams WJ38-7K for the JSM.
Janes IDR Dec 14 report on JSM says that the NSM TR-40 was replaced by a Williams WJ38-7K on the JSM partly because the JSM fuselage had to be narrowed to fit the F35 bombay and partly to attract US interest in selecting it for the F35A and F35C.
If you want something like this see MALI:
"The MALI (Maniature Air-Launched Interceptor) was an armed derivative of MALD, for possible use against cruise missiles. MALI had a sharper nose profile, increased wing swep, and a more powerful (0.53 kN (120 lb) thrust) TJ-50M engine for short supersonic performance. An IIR (Imaging Infrared) seeker was used for terminal homing on the target, and mid-course guidance was via a command link to air surveillance platforms like the E-3 AWACS. The MALI has undergone a test and development program, which ended in December 2002, when the first supersonic flight was made. "
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-160.html
"The MALI (Maniature Air-Launched Interceptor) was an armed derivative of MALD, for possible use against cruise missiles. MALI had a sharper nose profile, increased wing swep, and a more powerful (0.53 kN (120 lb) thrust) TJ-50M engine for short supersonic performance. An IIR (Imaging Infrared) seeker was used for terminal homing on the target, and mid-course guidance was via a command link to air surveillance platforms like the E-3 AWACS. The MALI has undergone a test and development program, which ended in December 2002, when the first supersonic flight was made. "
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-160.html
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sferrin wrote:If you want something like this see MALI:
"The MALI (Maniature Air-Launched Interceptor) was an armed derivative of MALD, for possible use against cruise missiles. MALI had a sharper nose profile, increased wing swep, and a more powerful (0.53 kN (120 lb) thrust) TJ-50M engine for short supersonic performance. An IIR (Imaging Infrared) seeker was used for terminal homing on the target, and mid-course guidance was via a command link to air surveillance platforms like the E-3 AWACS. The MALI has undergone a test and development program, which ended in December 2002, when the first supersonic flight was made. "
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-160.html
That what i thought about, unfortunately, it was cancelled
Furthermore, i can't find even a single photo of MALI, even artist drawing is extremely rare, i have no idea what the system looks like.
Flying missile rail seem like a good alternative?
madrat wrote:If it's a cylinder with fold out wings you are more flexible in delivery options. Flying wings impair carriage of other ordnance.
The Russians are pretty much the expert there. Compare the compactness of P-700 (Shipwreck) and P-750 (Meteorite), with multiple hinge points (and both tube-launched), to something like Regulus 2 with none (and needed a friggin' hangar):
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I always thought using a cruise missile to intercept targets at long ranges would be effective, unless your defensive then you prob want more speed. I figured for effectiveness against both fighters and support aircraft you would need a sub munition system. Basically big missile carries a (few) little missile a long distance from the shooter and then unleashes his friends. Gives you a more nimble missiles to go after fighters, and gives you multiple missiles (potentially) to go after larger support aircraft increasing chances of hits against counter measures. Submuntion prob adds to much complexity, plus the need has kinda fallen in my eyes since the west is going heavy stealth. I could see it coming back but not till later in the F-35's life and who knows what it will be packing for sensors and stealth upgrades by then.
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